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Considering purchasing my first Walther - a PPQ .22.

I've seen a bunch of different video reviews, and the .22 generally seems to be well received. I have other .22 pistols, but like the full size frame and additional weight of the PPQ. Some PPQ .22s do seem to be temperamental, but nowhere near as much as the P22.

They appear to be produced by Walther and not Umarex, but that point seems to get argued frequently. I thought I saw "Walther Ulm" stamped on the frame in one photo.

There also looked to be a different takedown lever on some, with a pull-out pin securing the slide instead of the vertical sliding latch - is that right? (EDIT: That may have been the M&P22)

Are they still coming with only 1 mag, and are others available?

Are all models considered "M2"?

Opinions?

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Not made in Ulm, I believe all are M2 (no paddle mag release), all have the vertical takedown latch and come with one magazine.

I purchased mine used (like new) and have put 500 rounds through it with no issues. Mine is 4” and I ordered the fiber optic front sight that is standard on the 5”.

I have enjoyed shooting mine very much and would buy one again (I would probably buy the 5”). Buy one, I think you will like it.

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I don't own a PPQ .22 but have the 4" and 5" PPQ M1. If I buy a PPQ .22 it would definitely be a 5" model since target shooting is all I would use it for.
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rbaker507 said:
Not made in Ulm, I believe all are M2 (no paddle mag release), all have the vertical takedown latch and come with one magazine.
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Do you know where it's made? Is it a Umarex?

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Don’t compare the PPQ 22 to other PPQs. Other than appearances the are 2 entirely different beasts. The internal workings are different, the trigger is horrible compared to the full size PPQ. The grip does not have additional inserts and the first thing you will want to change are the sights which there are no after market sights I’m aware of. It does not feel like it weighs the same and the gritty trigger means it does shoot the same. I’ve had mine since they first came out to shoot 22s rather than the more expensive 9mm. Accuracy is okay but it’s no tack driver. Mine did come with 2 mags but buying more can get pretty expensive. I’m currently thinking of trading mine on a Ruger 22/45.
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I believe those are from Umarex. Proof mark shows it was Cologne (not Ulm). According to the following link, those are made in Arnsberg and proofed in Cologne.

More info here:
https://modernrifleman.net/2015/11/17/proof-marks-date-codes-and-german-firearms/


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jkv45 said:
Do you know where it's made? Is it a Umarex?



Thanks.
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What does that mean??? Walther has two plants, one in ULM and one in Arnsberg. Umarex owns both, but the Arnsberg plane is where they make most of the Airguns and other products (except knives- those are Chinese). All of the small caliber arms and the CCP are made in Arnsberg (edit: the Walther competition stuff might be made in ULM.) Everything 9mm and larger is made in ULM. You can tell the ULM stuff as it has the broken antler proof stamp on it, Arnsberg has the crown and shield proof stamp.

Arnsberg quality control traditionally has not been as good as ULM, but it’s improving. New CCP’s (for whatever you think of the gun) don’t have near the same QC issues that they had when they were first released.


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Ekjunge said:
What does that mean??? Walther has two plants, one in ULM and one in Arnsberg. Umarex owns both, but the Arnsberg plane is where they make most of the Airguns and other products (except knives- those are Chinese). All of the small caliber arms and the CCP are made in Arnsberg (edit: the Walther competition stuff might be made in ULM.) Everything 9mm and larger is made in ULM. You can tell the ULM stuff as it has the broken antler proof stamp on it, Arnsberg has the crown and shield proof stamp.

Arnsberg quality control traditionally has not been as good as ULM, but it’s improving. New CCP’s (for whatever you think of the gun) don’t have near the same QC issues that they had when they were first released.
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It means I wanted to know if the PPQ .22 can have quality issues like some of the guns considered manufactured by "Umarex" - which seems to be what most of the air and airsoft are. Some of the reviews specifically state the gun is not made in the "Umarex" plant.

I understand the connection. Guns produced by the other Walther plant seem to be less problematic and more respected.
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Caine said:
Don’t compare the PPQ 22 to other PPQs. Other than appearances the are 2 entirely different beasts. The internal workings are different, the trigger is horrible compared to the full size PPQ. The grip does not have additional inserts and the first thing you will want to change are the sights which there are no after market sights I’m aware of. It does not feel like it weighs the same and the gritty trigger means it does shoot the same. I’ve had mine since they first came out to shoot 22s rather than the more expensive 9mm. Accuracy is okay but it’s no tack driver. Mine did come with 2 mags but buying more can get pretty expensive. I’m currently thinking of trading mine on a Ruger 22/45.
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My favorite .22 pistol to shoot in my collection is a CZ 85 with a .22 kit. It feels and shoot like a real deal handgun should.
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Decided I needed the PPQ M2 .22, and it should be here this week.

I'm anxious to see how it compares to other .22 pistols I have, namely the new Taurus TX22. I like the Taurus, but it still feels too light and a bit cheap to me.

I'm hoping the PPQ has a more substantial and higher quality feel to it.

Ordered the standard model, and then ordered another mag and a threaded adapter from the P22, which is slightly different but actually fits/looks better than the PPQ adapter.

Here's where I got that idea - https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/08/jeremy-s/gun-review-walther-ppq-m2-22-lr/
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Just picked up my new PPQ .22 -

NEWS FLASH - IT CAME WITH 2 MAGS!

I was very surprised, considering I've been hearing it came with only 1 mag and the "specs" always list 1 as well.

Maybe Walther is listening...

Taking it to the range tonight - it does have a very nice feel to it so far.

A couple more observations - it didn't come with a test target like some have. Walther is the only pistol I've purchased recently that has come well-lubed. They didn't spare the oil on the rails or internal parts, and it's visible on the outside of the slide. My M&P and TX22 were both bone dry.
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Had a chance to take the PPQ to the range last night - and I wasn't disappointed.

I fired about 150 rounds of 5 different target/SV ammo (no HV) with only 2 instances where the slide failed to stay open after the last round, which isn't unusual for softer ammo.

The trigger was very good for a "non-target" gun. Accuracy seemed fine, but I was shooting 2-handed standing and didn't shoot any off a rest.

I compared it side-by-side to my new Taurus TX22, and I'd say it's the winner. The overall feel is just better. I rated the Taurus as an 8 overall, with the rear sight being of poor quality and not going low enough to get a 0 at 10 yards. The TX is lighter than the PPQ, and doesn't feel as substantial to me.

I'd rate the PPQ as a 9. I did drop the sight down all the way, and it did 0 at 10 yards. The grip is nicely shaped and textured.

I purchased it at Buds for under $300, which is slightly less than what I paid for the TX. Advantage PPQ.
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So I got my extra mag and the suppressor adapter yesterday, and I'm a bit disappointed. The P22 adapter that was supposed to fit better than the PPQ adapter was a myth - they are the same.

I didn't like the fit of the PPQ adapter, with additional gap to the barrel, but the apparently there aren't any options from Walther.

Anyone find an adapter that fits better?


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