[Bobpen]

Hi, I'm a newbie to the gun scene, just completed the two-day training classes: CFSC/CRFSC in Ontario. Will need to wait a few months for approval then I can actually own and shoot my very own handgun (DV). I've always wanted a gun but now at 65 decided to go ahead! I'm not a hunter, but hope to use a PPQ & Ruger 10-20 at a range only.

Here are some newbie questions:

1. Love to buy a PPQ 5" .22
However, I keep hearing about jamming. How serious is this for a rookie? I mean, I'm not mechanical at all. Should I look for another gun? Reliability and ease of operation are essential for me.

2. Can I use the rimfire PPQ .22 shells interchangeably with the Ruger 10/20?

3. The PPQ 22 is not so easy to obtain in Canada. If you were to order the PPQ 5" .22 what additions would you ask for? Optic sights etc

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4. Should I consider the PPQ 9mm? Does this have any of the above issues?

Thank you for your insights!

 

[Kar98]

1. Love to buy a PPQ 5" .22
However, I keep hearing about jamming. How serious is this for a rookie? I mean, I'm not mechanical at all. Should I look for another gun? Reliability and ease of operation are essential for me.

Mine is as reliable as a hammer.

2. Can I use the rimfire PPQ .22 shells interchangeably with the Ruger 10/20?

The cartridges used in the PPQ22 are the same as used with the Ruger 10/22, i.e. .22lr.

3. The PPQ 22 is not so easy to obtain in Canada. If you were to order the PPQ 5" .22 what additions would you ask for? Optic sights etc

Up to you. I know nothing about Canada (other than Terence and Phillip being your greatest TV characters), or what you wanna use your gun for.

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4. Should I consider the PPQ 9mm? Does this have any of the above issues?

The PPQ 9mm looks the same and is operated the same as the PPQ 22, especially the PPQ 9mm M2 with the button to release the magazines, but internally, they are entirely different guns.

 

[Wildtoad]

Kar98 covered the main questions. If you are just looking for a plinker to shoot at targets, stick with the .22. Inexpensive ammo (at least here), easy on the hands, less noise. I don’t have the PPQ but do have the small P22 and PPK/S in .22 and they are both fun to shoot. Took a bit of breaking in, but after that I have very few issues.

If you also want a self defense weapon, the the 9MM of course would be a better choice than the .22.

 

[Bobpen]

Kar98/Wildtoad

Gentlemen, thank you for your insights, I deeply appreciate that and am encouraged.

Rimfire ammo is a lot cheaper here also. However, hand guns are a lot more expensive, and the legal paperwork and mandated training quite challenging. We are only allowed a 10-round magazine for a hand gun and 5-round magazine for a rifle. However, a .22 rifle I've been informed by my instructor has no limit. Automatic weapons are prohibited.

I will go for the .22 as exchanging rounds between the 10/20 Rugger & PPQ .22 make sense to me, thank you. Both sound like fun!

Here are a couple of more questions:

1. I have weak hands is the .22 slide difficult?
2. Wildtoad you mentioned a 'breaking in' period can you elaborate on that?

Thank you again!

 

[Wildtoad]

Both of my pistols have visible wear marks where the slide and frame rub(ed), and in some places metal pieces have been worn down from the rubbing. This action has to affect the slide operation. I got the PPK/S first and it had a boatload of stove pipes, fail to eject, etc until it I ran several boxes of ammo through it. Then it started performing much better. When I got the P22 I manually ran the slide back and forth several hundred times to accelerate the breakin. I’ve had very few issues with my P22. Checking the frame, there are one or two areas where the metal has worn down.

 

[Bobpen]

Disappointing...

Having returned from the local gun dealer and scanning the Web, I was disappointed to learn that acquiring a Walther in Canada is very difficult. The 22 is impossible due to low supplies and the 9 mm is quite rare. I was informed that the Walther 5" 22 is the most popular and the wait list is 2-years!

Why the supply restraints??

I was shown other options: S&W Victory or the Rugger SR 22 which I am leaning towards.

Importing to Canada is difficult, really difficult. Ugh!!

 

[Kar98]

Because all of Umarex (Walther parent company) has around 800 employees, and Walther has about 200 employees in Ulm. Glock Gmbh for instance has 1,200-ish employees.

Other .22 options are Browning Buckmark, S&W Victory, Beretta U22.

 

[Bobpen]

Kar98/Wildtoad
What do you think about the Rugger SR22?

 

[Wildtoad]

I’ve only seen a Ruger and it looks amazingly like the P22 and have heard good things.

 

[djim]

I’ve only seen a Ruger and it looks amazingly like the P22 and have heard good things.

Found this thread because I'm considering a PPQ 22 and wondered what the word on them is, these days. Just spent a bit of time looking into Ruger's SR22. Seems the triggers on them are horrible. And they have a bloody mag disconnect

Why Ruger does not address the trigger issues, which have been the major complaint ever since the SR22 was released, is a mystery to me.

 

[Jaake]

I’ve only seen a Ruger and it looks amazingly like the P22 and have heard good things.

Found this thread because I'm considering a PPQ 22 and wondered what the word on them is, these days. Just spent a bit of time looking into Ruger's SR22. Seems the triggers on them are horrible. And they have a bloody mag disconnect <img src="http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" />

Why Ruger does not address the trigger issues, which have been the major complaint ever since the SR22 was released, is a mystery to me.[/QUOTE

I have an SR22 and the trigger isn’t bad at all. The DA pull is obviously longer and harder (in reality it’s not that hard) - but the following SA pulls are very light.