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I shot my PPK 380ss for the first time, it racked me across the hand. I'm about to take a 12lber to it. any ideas on how to keep the slide from the top of my hand?:mad:

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RMC, you've just experienced a "love bite" from your PPK. It's a common thing with this fantastic, wonderful handgun which certainly does not warrant a 12 pounder being anywhere near it. It bit you because you were not holding it right.

Try this. No, better yet, do this and both your hand and your PPK will thank you. Go ahead, go and get it. Yes, right now before you read this any further. Go get it and hold it in your shooting hand. I'll wait...



Got it there? OK, good. Hold it as if you're ready to fire. Now, stop right there and observe the position of your thumb. See that? That's not right - and you're going to get bit that way.

Now, slide your thumb down ever so slightly until it overlaps your middle finger slightly. Move your thumb down so the pad of your thumb lightly rests on the top edge of your middle finger. It might feel a little strange at first but that's the way one must hold their PPK or you're going to get it. Here's some pictures to demonstrate:


In this photo, you can see the "natural" way most people who haven't had much experience with PPKs hold their guns. It's a natural human grasp and feels normal. But the PPK was designed to be small and the fact that the barrel also acts as the guide rod (a genius of design) dictates a low slide. The design keeps things small, simple, and more in line with the radius bone of the forearm, which promotes accuracy. However, it also allows for "slide bite." The red arrow I put in the picture shows where the slide will get me if I hold my PPK this way.


Here's a view of the same grip. You can clearly see where I'd get a nice double bite if I held her this way. That slide comes back viciously and mercilessly when it cycles a round, and human flesh will suffer if it's in the way:


Now, if you hold your PPK the way I described above, with your thumb slightly overlapping your middle finger on the grip, it can't get you. Try holding your PPK like this:


Same grip method, from the back. As you can see, there's no way it can get you.


Your soft tender flesh is now out of the way of the unyielding steel and your PPK will now give you a lifetime of joy. I hope this helps.

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mentalsigness pretty well pegged it. I have never had the bite, but I don't grip high enough to receive it either. I have intentionally gripped the gun high enough that it would have, if fired, and it doesn't feel right to me. I can see where people with large fleshy hands might have a problem if not careful.

I have read where larger grips help some ~ again I can't say that from experience. You should be able to look at your grip before firing and tell.

The S&Ws seem to be a mixed bag from what owners have posted concerning reliability, but, S&W will work out any issues and a lot of owners are happy with them. I would not be opposed to owning one of the S&Ws and the extended beaver tail is supposed to correct this.

Good luck with your gun. I would say give it some time and check your grip before firing until it becomes natural to you.
 

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And the larger tang used on the S&W version does a great job of putting your hand out of harm's way. Can't help it, guys. Still love my S&W PPK/S in stainless.
 

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And the larger tang used on the S&W version does a great job of putting your hand out of harm's way. Can't help it, guys. Still love my S&W PPK/S in stainless.
I'm crazy about mine also. The more rounds I put through it, the better it gets. Sadly, that's apparently not the case with all of the guns that came out of Houlton though.
 

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Well-explained Pilotsteve! ..and nice job with the pictures.
I know you and many would disagree, but an excellent way to prevent slide bite is to get yourself a S&W PPK/S with an extended beavertail tang.
Works for me!
 

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Nope, PPK is going away

Nope, this PPK is to small, I need to replace it with a larger frame 380.
Looked at the Barretta couger 380, It would be allright but no stainless, S&W bodyguard380 might be ok. what ideas do you guys have?

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If you can't handle something that small, consider something like a S&W 340sc. 357 magnum in a pistol that weighs 12 oz. No slide to bite you, but still a handful with max loads, and doesn't even feel like you have anything in your pocket.
 

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RMC, I think it's becoming clear to me that you've been snake bitten by your PPK and you've lost all love for what is one of the most perfectly designed and well-built handguns in history. It's a shame, but in a way, I know how you feel. I'll explain.

There's a lot of truth to the fact that either a gun fits your hand or it doesn't. I suspect you have very large hands with short fingers. This probably explains a lot, but not everything regarding your getting bit by the PPK. Have you tried firing it the way I described - with your thumb slightly overlapping your middle finger? I really don't see how it could bite you that way unless you're doing something very wrong and trying to shoot it "ghetto thug" style. "Ghetto thug" style is the inappropriate practice of shooting while holding your hand cocked 90 degrees to the left, with the ejection port facing straight up. Not only are you guaranteed to get slide-bitten that way, but you'd deserve it.

Knowing that you're a responsible and properly taught operator of a handgun, I'm sure that you're not trying to shoot that way... right? Nevertheless, when I was in the market for my first handgun, I went through the gun store and sampled just about every weapon in every case. Every Beretta, Glock, Smith & Wesson, etc. None of them really felt right. It wasn't until the PPK was placed in my hand did the proverbial "Click!" occur. I swear, it was if someone took a mold of my hand and made the PPK just for my anatomical dimensions. It was perfect for me.

That's something every person who ever shops for a handgun should do. Try them out. Try the fit. It either fits or it doesn't. For example, my father has gigantic moose paws for hands and couldn't possibly fire my PPK without getting bit no matter how he were to hold it. In fact, I wouldn't even let him shoot it because it was clear he was going to get torn up by the slide. Are your hands really that big? If you've got normal/average sized hands and are getting bit by your PPK, you're just not doing something right.

However, this may be a moot point because I really suspect you've lost interest in your PPK. The love you once felt is gone because she cut your hand. Any further attempts to console you might be futile. If you're willing to try again, to try to save your lost love, you may well be able to salvage the relationship. It can be a very, very happy one if you treat her like the fickle, beautiful lady she is.

But if not... if your heart has turned to ice over your PPK and you're suffering "irreconcilable differences", then by all means trade her for another lady. I just hope the new marriage works out as well as this one can - if you try...

-Pilotsteve
 

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PS, your explanation and pics are wonderful; great job.
I'm wondering if something else besides 'slide bite' is going on, tho' I agree that the Smith version should solve that issue, despite the esthetics.

PP series guns in .380 tend to have a sharp recoil; due to the blowback design, the slide is moving very fast and comes to an abrupt, stinging stop when it hits the frame. It always felt like smacking a rock with an iron bar. It is the price you pay for firing the more powerful cartridge; the .32 ACP and the .22 lr PPs don't have this issue.
Many of the other guns the OP mentions are also blowback, but the SIG P238 is a locked-breech mini-1911 pistol, and it's recoil is less rappy than the PPK in .380. Actually, so is a Ruger LCP...
It is probably also a good idea to ask if the OP is an experienced handgunner. Small, powerful handguns are a hard way to get started. The .340 SC Smith with magnum loads is NOT the solution to this problem....:D
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Here is the hard way to not get slide bite from a ppk.

Get a tph, and practice with it a few hundred rounds, and the ppk will be easy.
Yessir, yessir, three bags full.....:eek:
The TPH is designed for Tiny People's Hands....

If you have big, beefy mitts, don't even think about it...but it sure is a neat, accurate little gun.
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It is probably also a good idea to ask if the OP is an experienced handgunner. Small, powerful handguns are a hard way to get started. The .340 SC Smith with magnum loads is NOT the solution to this problem....:D
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Good advice, 1/2 Moon. Not only that, but there's no need for anything that powerful. The .380 is more than enough bullet for protection purposes. Too bad the original poster of this thread does not reply as often as he should. We're here to help him and I'm feeling the feeling that we're speaking to either deaf or inattentive ears.

In terms of the PPK having such a sharp recoil... I'm working on that one. Soon I'll post a complete physical study of the entire firing sequence and there may be some surprises. I've been doing the math for two days now and it will be serious geek fodder when complete.

-Pilotsteve
 
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