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I took my new PPK/S 22LR to the range today along with some CCI Mini-Mags, Winchester Super X and Federal Bulk.

I fired 30rds of the CCI, 30rds of the Winchester and 60rds of the Federal. Accuracy was decent, the sights were small, recoil was basically nil, the SA trigger pull was good and the DA trigger pull was waaaaaay heavy. I had one problem as far as reliability goes. I shot a total of 12 10rd mags through the pistol. Four of the times, the second cartridge from the magazines failed to feed. This was the first cartridge that should have fed automatically. It happened with all three types of ammo and with various magazines, so I'm confident that it's not the ammo or magazines. Has anyone else experienced this? I can't really figure out why the second cartridge from the magazine would fail to feed sometimes. Other than that, I'm very pleased and am looking forward to getting a suppressor for it. I'll take suppressor suggestions too if anyone has used one on this pistol.
 

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I have never experienced such an issue, in fact, this is the first time I've even read of such an issue.

Seriously, even the legions of haters this gun has will begrudgingly praise the magazines for their improved design and reliability.

Are you sure that this occurred with all 3 brands of ammo? I ask because while the PPK/S .22 loves CCI Mini Mag and other such premium high velocity ammo, Federal bulk ammo and Winchester ammo such as those in your pic typically FTF/FTE.
 

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Yes, I'm 100% sure that it happened with each type of ammo. I even tapped the magazines to seat the cartridges to the rear after the first couple of failures to feed, but it happened again a couple of times after that.

While the pistol generally didn't eject the Federal spent cases with the same velocity as the CCI and Winchester, they all ejected fine. I'm very pleased about that because I expected the weaker ammo to cause trouble. FYI, that particular Winchester ammo has about a 200ft/sec higher velocity listed on the plastic box than the CCI does.
 

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I've had this happen--slide locks open after the 1st shot) a number of times with both my Walther/Umarex PPK/S .22 (5 different mags) and my Sig Sauer Mosquito (5 different mags)....with CCI Mini Mags, Remington Golden Bullets and Aguilla Super Extra. I can't say that it's a '..common..' occurrence....but it does happen from time to time.

Why ??? The only explanation that I've ever come up with is that because of the odd angles that .22 rimfire ammo sometimes assumes as it passes up through the mag, the slide lock mechanisms are sometimes allowed to engage. It's a '..theory..'...and little more. But it doesn't happen with either .22 often enough for me to be bothered all that much
 

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Thanks for the report. I went to the range today to try a CCP but also to try a box of Winchester Super X 40grn in my PPK/S 22. I bought 5 boxes so I hope they do ok. I did have 1 each FTE, and one stove pipe but the other 98 did just great. So if CCI's or Golden Bullets aren't available these will do for some range fun.

On the CCP, fired all 50 rnds with no issues, felt good, shot great. Just not enough to replace my 380 PPK, and no I don't want an additional gun or caliber to deal with.
 

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Why ??? The only explanation that I've ever come up with is that because of the odd angles that .22 rimfire ammo sometimes assumes as it passes up through the mag, the slide lock mechanisms are sometimes allowed to engage. It's a '..theory..'...and little more. But it doesn't happen with either .22 often enough for me to be bothered all that much
I've had this happen with my Umarex PPK/S a couple of times and also with a Bersa Thunder 22. The Bersa uses a similar magazine to the PPK/S. I think your theory is probably correct. In addition, the PPK/S uses a very weak slide lock spring - in comparison to one in the original PP 22. A stronger slide spring might cure the problem.
 

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I took it back to the range again today and put 140rds of the Federal 22LR through it. About 2/3 of the time, the spent case from the first cartridge would not eject. When this would happen, I'd drop the magazine, clear the spent case, reinsert the magazine, pull the slide back and let it go. The next cartridge would chamber and ejected fine every time. So it seemed to me that the first cartridge loaded from a full magazine was not ejecting correctly. Towards the end of my shooting, I decided to do a test. I loaded the magazine, inserted it in the pistol, pulled the slide back, let it fly and then shot the pistol. The first case failed to eject, so I dropped the magazine, cleared it, reinserted the magazine, pulled the slide back, let it fly and then shot the pistol. The next case ejected fine. I then dropped the magazine, inserted one that was full with 10rds, and then shot the pistol. The case ejected fine. I then dropped the magazine again, inserted one that was full with 10rds, and then shot the pistol. Again, the case ejected just fine. So, it seems like the problem is the first cartridge that's loading in to the chamber manually. I think that next I'll try only loading 5rds in each magazine to see if that makes a difference. This is very odd.
 

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Glad you are enjoying your new PPK/s. Owned one for about 6 months and found it was a joy to fire with any type of 22 ammo we had on sale here. If it works fine with the magazine loaded with only 9 rounds. Load only 9 rounds and have a lot of fun. Some of the magazines I have for my 70's PPK/s only work with 8, 9, or even as low as 7 rounds.
 

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Hello all, I am new here with almost new PPK/S 22LR and I am unlucky, after first shot I fire second and extrator with spring and small pin were out form frame, the bullet stay in barrel and other part of amo stay with broken botom. Can anybody tell me what is going wrong. I bought pistof 2 years old a few days ago and seller told me that is all ok. Can I fix it by myself or must go to service.


Thank you, milans
 

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Call Walther and tell them what happened. They will repair it for free including shipping both ways. I’ve had that happen twice.
 

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Hello all, I am new here with almost new PPK/S 22LR and I am unlucky, after first shot I fire second and extrator with spring and small pin were out form frame, the bullet stay in barrel and other part of amo stay with broken botom. Can anybody tell me what is going wrong. I bought pistof 2 years old a few days ago and seller told me that is all ok. Can I fix it by myself or must go to service. Thank you, milans
It's difficult to say from your brief description. BUT....it sounds (??) as if the pistol didn't lock-up all the way into 'battery' and you experienced an catastrophic '..blow-out..' of the discharged/fired .22LR casing (at the rim of the .22 cartridge ??) on your 2nd shot....this may have caused the bullet to '..squib..' in the barrel and 'blew out' the extractor and spring. Did the rest of the cartridge 'case' remain in the chamber ??
Which 'brand' and type of .22LR ammo were you using when this occurred ??

As noted above. Contact Walther-USA Customer Support....
CUSTOMER CARE
(479) 242-8500 EXT. 507
E-mail: [email protected]
https://www.waltherarms.com/customer-support/
....and try to arrange to ship the pistol back to them for repair.
 

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P.S.....the 'good news' here is.....that if this was a catastrophic '..blow-out..'....then the problem was most likely ammo-related and not a problem with your PPK/S .22LR (though it sure as hell didn't do the pistol any good in the process).

It's also a practical reminder that wearing proper eye protection at the range turns out to be really good advice.
 

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It is not unheard of for some firearms to be a bit finicky when chambering that second round. I've read of pistols where it is a general recommendation to not fully load the mag. The reason is that the magazine spring is highly compressed and it takes more energy for the rearward moving breech rail to drag over the top round going rearward and more energy to strip the round
from the magazine. This can happen with larger calibers but it is most often associated with .22s.

A .22 doesn't have a really strong recoil spring. Try different ammo and keep the chamber clean. CCI should run, if not, clean the chamber and the inside of the magazines.

If you had a blowout you should have a spent case that clearly shows that failure. Armscor was particularly bad about it a few years ago.

Milans, I'm not clear what you are saying but it sounds like that a squib or blown out case left a round in the barrel. Then you fired another round into that one which of course won't work. This did not allow the round to exit the barrel and all of the gas blew out the rear of the case and very likely damaged the barrel. If you are ever shooting and feel a very weak round....stop immediately, unload the pistol including the one in the chamber and then inspect the barrel to make sure it is clear. 1917
 

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Thank you very much to all, yes the cartrige stay in barrel with open bottom, the amo was Alfred Nobel HV mybe too strong and I will not use HV ammo in the future.
About return to Walther I am from EU and this is almost impossibile. Yes, I wear eye protect and have a few other gun, I bought this PPK/s 22.lr just for plinking… Here in EU we have more dificult rules for gun owners like you :)


Thank you very much.


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Walther is a worldwide company. Do they have a local representative in your country? If so, they should be qualified to do repairs. Your owners manual should indicate where to return the firearm for repair.
 

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Member Crete in Greece has a number of posts on the state of affairs regarding getting firearms repaired, replacement parts like a slide, etc. and how it is almost impossible.

It sounds like a squib, and the gas blew out some area of the bottom of the pistol. This pistol has a barrel, barrel nut, and barrel sleeve so while the barrel might have been severely damaged perhaps the barrel sleeve contained most of the blast or forced it out the rear of the chamber. We have seen pictures of rim blowouts on the P22 and it has been powerful enough to crack the slide just above the front of the breech block, bow out the left side of the polymer grip/frame allowing the slide stop arm to become dislocated and caused the extractor to fly off somewhere.

I believe the specs for pistol ammo calls for high velocity. So that should not be the problem. The squib was a problem but firing the next round is where the real problem developed. It would be interesting to see a picture of the damage if you can manage it Milans. Glad you weren't hurt. 1917



Photo of a steel PP on the bottom, steel frame, steel barrel fitted and pinned to the frame boss. New zinc Umarex version up to showing barrel fitted through the zinc frame boss with a sleeve and barrel nut holding the barrel in place.
 

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Thank you very much to all, yes the cartrige stay in barrel with open bottom, the amo was Alfred Nobel HV mybe too strong and I will not use HV ammo in the future.
About return to Walther I am from EU and this is almost impossibile. Yes, I wear eye protect and have a few other gun, I bought this PPK/s 22.lr just for plinking… Here in EU we have more dificult rules for gun owners like you :)


Thank you very much.


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I would at least contact Walther and tell them what happened. Tell them what parts are missing. They may send you new ones. As I mentioned before it has happened twice with mine. In both instances there were two parts that needed to be replaced, primarily because I couldn’t fine them. The spring and extractor were missing. In looking at mine, it seems that it would be fairly easy to replace them both.
 

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>>>...the amo was Alfred Nobel HV mybe too strong and I will not use HV ammo in the future...<<<

Sorry. I'm not familiar with '..Alfred Nobel HV..' .22 LR ammo. But as a general rule, '..HV..' (High Velocity) .22LR rimfire ammo usually isn't a problem in most semi-auto .22 pistols. If anything HV ammo is recommended by many .22 pistol manufacturers (CCI Mini Mags most frequently)....and tends to make 'em operate better, with fewer partial '..Failure-to-Eject..' problems common in .22 semi-auto pistols.

As has been noted above, here in the US, there have been NUMEROUS (far too many) reports over the years of '..catastrophic blow-out..' problems in .22 semi-auto pistols with ARMSCOR 36 gr. High Velocity Hollow Point .22LR ammo.

In any event, CARL WALTHER GmbH (based in Germany) is an international company and should have authorized service & repair centers throughout the EU...that should minimize the EU 'hoops''..' you may have to jump through to get your pistol repaired.
 

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Photo of a steel PP on the bottom, steel frame, steel barrel fitted and pinned to the frame boss. New zinc Umarex version up to showing barrel fitted through the zinc frame boss with a sleeve and barrel nut holding the barrel in place.
Even these old eyes see a difference in overall quality between those two pistols. Regarding the OP’s problem, HV ammo would not cause such a problem short of a squib followed by a second round, as 1911 suggests. My Walthers prefer HV ammo.
 
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