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Back around 1982 I purchased a German Walther PP Super in .380 imported my Interarms. It is a beautifully finished pistol and has a decocking lever. I was told that Interarms had imported 1000 of these as they are offered in 9mm Ultra in Europe. It came with a test target and cost $595 way back then. I have never shot it and it remains new in the box. Have any Walther fans seen this model? Serial number is 0596.
 

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I have two PP Super's
both are in 9x18 Ultra........one is serial # 10109 (109th made) unfired with test traget and box matching......no import marks, stamped '74 on the barrelhood.... also I got some history on this one from Walther in Germany .....(74-84 in Germany at a gunstore... was returned... then exported to England by Walther to their distributer.... no more info as the company in england no longer exists)
the other onse I use for shooting.....I never planed on having a safe queen..

anyhow your serial # should have a 1 infront of it
PP Super in .380 started 100001 and went to 101300
so there was a total of 1300 of the .380 PP Supers

I love those PP Supers and I currently am having custom wood grips made for my shooter..... here is a pic of all.... the 3rd is a lighter :eek: just to give you a idea how crazy I am... and I have a Geco 9x18ultra dummy round on the way also to go with the PP Super collection.....(shouldn't post without having one cup of coffee first)
 

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Oldspeed....
welcome to the forum.... enjoy your stay and if you still into the shooting sport you need to give the P99 a good look...:D
I got so excited about the PP Super's I almost forgot the welocming part:eek:
 

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Last edited by uncut : Today at 11:01 AM. Reason: not enough coffee
Oh yeah! PP Supers will do that:D . Btw, please post pics of the grips when you get them, uncut.

Oldspeed. You have a beauty. FYI, they are being auctioned/sold for around $1,200.00 these days. But it can tell you this. They are excellent shooters. Very accurate and mild-mannered . And the looks to go along with it:cool: . Don't exactly recommend that you fire yours, but the way I see it...it's already been fired at the factory.

And they don't bite like a PPK!
 

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Dennis (the guy that makes the grips) told me yesterday that the PP Supers are @ 70% and the P7's at 90%
Soon I will get some pics to look at then then maybe 2 more weeks and I can show some pics.......
FWIW... my opinion on the .380 PP Super is $1000 max... (less if it has import marks) that is what the last one went for... and now it is sitting on Gunbroker for $1400 and nothing goes... and that one doesn't have import marks and has the same woodgrips than my PP Super and the pinky extensions on the mag

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=65973889

(this PP Super was sold on gunbroker, bought by a dealer and now is back on gunbroker for a premium $1400 and it is a reserve auction, see how long it has been listed)
 

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That's the one you were looking at sometime ago, wasn't it? Clean gun. And I love the mag extension. Asked Earl if he had any left and no luck. It definitely adds, and not detracts, from the smooth lines.
 

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Yes I kept track of that PP Super...
The original seller had some poor pictures of it on gunbroker....then when it was relisted with the new pics I was in shock.......(the original auction is not listed anymore on Gunbroker)
Oh well .... Someday I will come across a .380......though I think having 2 already, I should direct my funds towards a few more P99's unless a deal comes along
 

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I have to say, after doing some range time with my PP super 9x18 the 380 would be disirable. The ultra cartrige is pretty hot for a blow back and it stings my trigger finger a little. Still a nice shooting pistol and very accurate.
 

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Fwiw, a friend tried the .380 mags with 9x18 rounds for fit and function in a PP Super 9x18. They worked fine.

Which led me to think that if push comes to shove, regarding the commercial availability of inexpensive 9x18 Ultra(Police) ammo, one can either shoot .380 ammo, which another friend has already tested and found to be relatively inconsequential, or perhaps change the barrel to a .380. From what I remember of mine, no other major mods should be required.

The days of relatively inexpensive 9x18 U(P) ammo seem to be over. Whoever hoarded the remaining SOG lot, apparently is not a commercial entity.
 

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I am glad I got my SOG 9x18's when i did, they were only $9 per box. I have seen other threads on the possiblity of using 380's in 9x18's, but have never heard any difinitive answers. Uncut, do you know anything on the subject?
 

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never tried it.....
but Bravo84 on the P38forum said he has (I think... if memory serves me right) .... and reports come from Australia too.... so I would say if push comes to shove it will work... but I would not do it on a constant bases....
I think we are now stuck to pay the $20 bucks for Fiocchi ammo once they make another batch... though it looks like there is some out there still at that price...
or reloading... my understanding is that if you cut down a 9x19 case to 9x18 it should work.... but I am sure - jehzsa knows that better than I do.. I am not much of a ammo expert.
 

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Your memory is just fine, uncut. Bravo84 is the brave soul that tried it. The only complication he found was that it etched the chamber slightly. A result of the shortened case. The individual who first spoke in a forum about the .380 use in Australia was Mr. Orv Reichert. At the p38 forum. And apparently, etched chambers were not a problem for our friends from the land down under.

With regard to the brass to be used, believe me, I'm no expert. I don't reload even though that possibility seems nearer each time supplies dwindle. I figure the cut-down 9x19 would do. However, my Stars & Stripes loading carries a shortened 38 Super Comp case. Starline brass. Fits snugly in the Benelli and the Sig. A bit loose on the PP Super. But it's just the way my PP Super is. Geco, Fiocchi and Hirtenberger all fit on the loose side. Nothing wrong with the chamber. Just some clearance to account for dirt and burnt components so as to avoid any related hiccups.

Btw, save your brass, gentlemen. A brass catcher is a great investment nowadays. I've taken a lull on the 9x18U while my PP Super gets out of the hospital, but there's a brass catcher out there that attaches to your right hand. Looks awkward but seems effective. If anyone is interested I can look up the web link. HTH
 

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Have you ever asked S&S if they would make us a deal for the 9x18 if we would do a group buy ???
I am thinking that we could get 10000 rounds easily for blinking ammo
 

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No, I haven't asked him. Mainly because if brass is not provided, the cost for plinking ammo will not be lower than the available Fiocchi. It should take quite some time to shorten those 38 Super Comp cases. Even if brass is provided, and he did mention it previously, the price would not be in the range of the Geco SOG. If only for the fact that he will load them to higher specs than the Hirtenberger. As an example, my 90 gr. GDHP seems to spit out at about 1075 fps out of my PP Super. On average. The equivalent loading, the 9x18 Makarov has been clocked at more than 1100 fps out of a Bulgarian Makarov. With an average of 10 rounds at 1088. The 95 gr. XTP loading does basically the same. That is way more than what Geco provides. As you know, in ascending order then come the Fiocchi and then the Hirtenberg.

S&S 9x18U ammo comes to slightly more than $1.00 per round shipped. With the XTP or GDHP bullets. So the only way to procure a less inexpensive round would be to provide him with the brass and use a standard FMJ bullet. As to how much it will cost then, I have no idea. He never mentioned that. But I seriously doubt that it will be in the vicinity of $8.00/50. Unless, of course, we handload our own. Which will not account for our time. And leaves us again back where we started. Fwiw, I have about 1500 rounds left of Geco and Fiocchi. Hirtenberg is gone. Unless my son develops an affinity for the 9x18U cartridge, prefering it over the 9x18M, which he might, I could be covered for a couple of years. And that might allow for a new batch to make its way here to the US. For all I know, it is still a popular cartridge in Europe. So the possibility is there. Slight, but there. For some reason, I can imagine a depot somewhere where Geco has remained virtually untouched for decades. Mainly forgotten. Problem is now, how to find it. But even if it happens, I can bet that it will not be for $8.00/50. But definitely less than Fiocchi and good enough for plinking.

For all of my imagination, I have started to research handloading. The way I see it now, saving the brass saves a lot of time. And it might actually be less complicated than it looks. Reloading seems to be the answer now.
 

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Here's a mix Bravo84 posted,

"9X18 Ultra Load data with 9mm Hornady 90 grain HP/XTP

VV N330 4.2 grains Average velocity: 1,103 fps Spread: 27 SD: 12
High: 1,115 fps Low: 1,088 fps


VV N330 4.5 grains Average velocity: 1,147 fps
Spread: 48 High: 1,169 fps Low: 1,121 fps"

I'll take the 4.5.:rolleyes:
 

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Just picked up a Super in 380, box, target, papers, 2 mags, Interarms import - unfired...not a mark on it - beautiful. Low number 82.




dad's Woodsman Match Target
 

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There was one on Gunbroker for $750 "buy now" opening bid $650
It was listed the week before @$900
*edit..... you can't just talk about it.... you need to post some pics.....
 

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Nice PP Super :)
how much did it set you back...way to go with a early one....ever seen pics of my NIB 109th 9x18 PP Super without import marks ??
Now tell me, are the proofmarks on the barrel hood and the frame or just the frame ??
 

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Thanks -Right time and right place Uncut - just $550. I've only been able to fine the proof marks on the frame. No, haven't seen yours.
 
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