I have a PP that I bought a few years ago. It is in the original box with a safety manual and one extra clip. It has markings on the slide and frame that seem I can't figure out, and hoped this forum would help. On the slide, from the muzzle to the rear, AB over 9 in a circular wreath; the letters "ac" over 1001 over ZELLA-MEHLIS, GERMANY; 765 over an eagle over a crown N proof. The frame is stamped with an eagle over a crown N proof under the mag release; the importers stamp(G.P. Trading, St. Alb.VT); and A.B. over 70 in a circle of dots on the rear of the frame. On the other side of the frame, under the SN is HAMMERLI over TIENGEN. The pistol is in 98+ condition, was supposed to be a police trade in and came with a holster(long gone). Any help on the stamps would be appreciated.
PP Markings ID
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I am not 100% as I am still a beginner .... but the
"crown" mark makes me think it is a pre war or WWII PP
the #765 stands for some "company" but not certain again....
like I said take it over to the P38 guys... there is a section for PP and PPK
I am not 100% as I am still a beginner .... but the
"crown" mark makes me think it is a pre war or WWII PP
the #765 stands for some "company" but not certain again....
like I said take it over to the P38 guys... there is a section for PP and PPK
Some additional info for you on that pp... the ac means it's made by walther during ww2, zella mehlis was destroyed at the end of ww2. The post war pp's were made in ulm germany. So, it appears you have a pp made during ww2, not a postwar trade in. Just a guess the other markings could be east german. hope this helped you a little. don
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My new DDR PP
Picked up one of the East German Walther PP clones at a gun show last weekend. The original DDR P1001-0 pistols were manufactured in the 1950's for issue to the DDR police. Many of these pistols later had "ac" and "zella-mehlis" added to the slide and were imported to the USA. Whether these "fake" markings were added to fool collectors or simply meet US C&R import rules is debatable.
Unlike the 1950's surplus P1001 pistols this one appears to have been manufactured from spare parts - like the "new" condition Australian .303 Enfields that were imported back in the 80's. This explains the low "00006" serial number and new wood grips on my gun.
While the P1001's may not be "real" Walthers...they were made in Germany using the WWII tooling, diagrams, and even some parts. That's close enough for me...
Milspec/BobT
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Picked up one of the East German Walther PP clones at a gun show last weekend. The original DDR P1001-0 pistols were manufactured in the 1950's for issue to the DDR police. Many of these pistols later had "ac" and "zella-mehlis" added to the slide and were imported to the USA. Whether these "fake" markings were added to fool collectors or simply meet US C&R import rules is debatable.
Unlike the 1950's surplus P1001 pistols this one appears to have been manufactured from spare parts - like the "new" condition Australian .303 Enfields that were imported back in the 80's. This explains the low "00006" serial number and new wood grips on my gun.
While the P1001's may not be "real" Walthers...they were made in Germany using the WWII tooling, diagrams, and even some parts. That's close enough for me...
Milspec/BobT
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That's a good looking gun, Milspec. Just curious: Did the wood grips come with it, or did you add them once you got the gun? They are quite attractive.
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Well, someone did a nice of carving up the Black Forest, if that's the case. It's always amazing to me how a nice set of wood grips really can make a pistol -- even one that otherwise would be run-of-the-mill at best -- look its very best. Thanks for sharing the photos.
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