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I have a Walther PP that I’ve been told was a police turn in but I’ve also heard that all the police turn ins have import marks and I’ve not been able to find any. Also can’t find what coat of arms was marked out. Definitely not Hesse.
Any info would be greatly appreciated
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I have a Walther PP that I’ve been told was a police turn in but I’ve also heard that all the police turn ins have import marks and I’ve not been able to find any. Also can’t find what coat of arms was marked out. Definitely not Hesse.
Appears to me to be Nordrhein-Westfalen state police (NW xxx).
 

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Appears to me to be Nordrhein-Westfalen state police (NW xxx).
Indeed you are correct. It’s not often found on PPs.

The state marking was required by West German federal law around 1970, and most states went back and diligently stamped every pistol in inventory.

NRW seems to have hardly stamped any. Most PPs I’ve seen which, usually by box inscriptions, could be attributed to a city in NRW had no stamps.

That only changed with the P6, which to my knowledge was actually delivered factory-stamped with the NW; most surplus P6s on the US market are so marked.
 

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Probably not there on a PP that entered the USA decades ago, like your pistol probably did, but I am seeing thoughtful importers like Simpson LTD. laser etch their (tiny) import mark on the base of the mag well where is doesn’t mess up the original appearance. There is not much worse to me than a poorly-executed importer’s mark (e.g., the old dot matrix CAI). I had a beautiful, commercial, LNIB PP Super with an obscure Arizona importer’s mark on the slide. It wasn’t a horrible font or anything like that, but it was not parallel to the top or bottom of the slide. I sold that pistol because of that crooked mark, I could just never get past it.
 

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Don’t complain, some collectors consider the lack of an importer’s mark desirable.
Oh , I’m not. I’m glad. I’m just asking because I was told that if it was a police it HAD to have import marks because they didn’t import any of the police surplus until after 68. Which I’m sure isn’t true
 

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There are a few ways around commercial import, not counting illegal entry.
 

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.....I’m just asking because I was told that if it was a police it HAD to have import marks because they didn’t import any of the police surplus until after 68. Which I’m sure isn’t true
There were indeed no NW (or ByP or Nds ...) stamped PPs imported until after 1968 since by that year they were not stamped yet.

But as GeoNole says, there are other ways to get here. Only commercial importers have to stamp their guns. Any private import, by an immigrant from Europe or a returning US service member, for example, would not require any stamping.
 

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I have a Walther PP that I’ve been told was a police turn in but I’ve also heard that all the police turn ins have import marks and I’ve not been able to find any. Also can’t find what coat of arms was marked out. Definitely not Hesse.
Any info would be greatly appreciated
Hello: I know this is an old thread, but I just ran across it while researching a PP I just bought, and I have a different possibility for you to consider:

U.S. military service members stationed in Germany are able to buy firearms there through the Rod & Gun Clubs. This was much easier and more common in the 1980s when I was first stationed there in the Army, had gotten harder by 2010, and was really hard by 2016, the past time I had a tour there before I retired. But you can still do it (and I did). There is a special green-colored ATF Form 4473 specifically for U.S. military service members to import the firearms they purchased. These are personal imports, and do not require going through an importer or stamping any import markings. I purchased quite a number of guns in Germany on all of my tours (including a beautiful police turn-in Walther PP in about 1984), and none of them have any import markings.

So it is entirely possible that your PP is a "G.I. bring-back" gun, just not in the sense that term is usually meant.
 
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