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today got it from the local store i go to every once in a while to see what they get. i went today for a different reason and saw this. 3 mags, walther laser addon but no case. a guy had passed away and they bought it from his estate sale

DE the thing with little n shield BB

stamps to tiny for cam it seems
 

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That is an aftermarket recoil spring. I will have to check back but that seems to be a bit of an odd pistol. If I recall correctly by 2011 the P22Q model was out with PPQ ergonomics and a stronger slide. The pistol you have has the original grip and the original slide with P99 ergonomics. The weaker slide btw. The DE stands for Germany, the BB stands for the year ( 2011). Somewhere in 2010 or 2011 the pistol was changed to the Q ergonomics with several improvements, the most significant being the thicker slide. You could have a late original but it is possible the frame insert has been replaced. Does the pistol have a trigger lock? It shouldn't. The hammer was revised some years earlier with a slant across the tip to match the flat bottom side of the breech rail. The original grip had one slot, Q models have three rail slots. Check the extractor cutout at the chamber to make sure it isn't damaged. You have the 3.4" barrel model.

If the pistol has not been significantly filed on by someone it will have a lifetime warranty. You can purchase a brand new P22Q from places like Ky Gun Co for $225 if you watch....so, I wouldn't pay too much for it. I note they have S&W Shields in 9mm for $200 at present. How is Walther going to compete with that? 1917
 

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If I remember correctly, N in the SN indicated the 3.4" model and L was for the 5" model. Both share the same grip/frame. The 5" version simply has a 5" barrel, longer barrel sleeve and a weighted stabilizer that clamps on the exposed end of the longer barrel. At one time Walther sold the pistol with both barrels. You can still order a 5" barrel assembly and install it on any short barrel version. 1917
 

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trigger lock no just slide safety and mag gotta be in. i cant find any filing marks. do see some good FTE cart chomping going around

is there a positive gain from using this strong beefy guide rod in combo with the weaker slide. sounds familiar.

there are no visible cracks or damage to the slide, but i definitely feel sketchy shooting 1640fps cci stingers out of it.. even though high velocity is what it was made for.

the p99 ergo is what drew me to it, ive told you before i had an irrational love for that one. the last one i found i posted about was chrome and way over priced. but this one i walked out of the door with for 197$ 3 mags and laser included. i looked up the laser price yesterday and was kinda surprised, idk if accurate but ad i saw was 80 bucks
 

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The small scratch to the rear of the chamber block is of no importance. Your hammer is still stock. Note that there is more finish wear on the left side at the little point. I've never seen one that looks any different and it is due to the off-set pressure of the mainspring....in my opinion. Again....not significant. I do very lightly remove the tip where the wear is.....but that is just me. The original hammer profile ( yours is not one of them) was prone to hang up the forward moving slide as the tip would get caught in the small gap between the safety drum and rear of the breech block. I did many threads regarding this along with drawings and photos. Even discussed it with the Chief Engineer in Arnsberg. In about 2007 Walther revised the hammer face to the profile you currently see. It has not changed....although they did not get the angle exactly right and the now smaller tip can still hang the slide up.....sometimes. I would not modify it unless your slide is hanging up and not closing. This catch point seems to happen just about exactly when the recoil spring is exerting what little energy it has to strip a round from the magazine.

Don't waste any money on Stingers. They are faster, cost more, weight less and aren't accurate. Mini Mags and Rem Golden Bullets work fine. The fast copper CCI rounds work fine. The most powerful .22 ammo out there is CCI Velocitors. They work fine.....but not in my suppressed pistol. Don't know why.

The holes and recesses for the original trigger block that no one ever used is still inside and part of the frame. Only the key, keyhole and internal parts are missing with the Q models. It's still there incase Walther has to add it back at some point in the future. All they need is a hole again in the polymer grip for access.

Your sear is stock. This is an area where I do some work....lower the hooks and re-profile the hook face for a less positive engagement....but you have to know what you are doing here as there are no tools or guides for this. You can make an exceptional trigger though. I also install JB Weld over-travel and pre travel stops.....Hammer strut removed. I don't shoot DA anyway.

Your trigger bar ears are stock. The rear, top edge of your slide catch arm looks new.

A pistol that has been shot a lot and with poor cleaning, lubrication can have wear between the slide grooves and frame rails. This is most likely to occur at the slide's most rearward travel point. Too much wear can allow the hammer to lift the slide causing it to no longer cock the hammer. So, keep that area clean and very, very lightly lubed. I use dry powder moly myself and have one pistol with over 50K through it with no measurable wear.

Don't forget the pistol has a lifetime warranty. Unless you are interested in doing some modifications....hammer, trigger bar.....I'd clean, load and shoot. Be sure to keep the barrel nut tight...it is what holds the barrel tight against the frame and sleeve.

Regarding Ruger SR 22s.....they aren't getting very high marks at RimFireCentral nor is the new MK IV. Too many problems. You have an earlier pistol but in my opinion Walther has pretty much worked out the kinks in the P22. They still need a 5" version (solid slide), and to correct the hammer tip angle, and install an aluminum slide designed for sight options....like a small JPoint red dot. It is Walther's most popular pistol outselling all others combined from what was said at the SHOT show a few years ago. It looks like your pistol is in good condition. 1917
 

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Oh yeah, I never had any problem with the original long recoil spring myself and I do install a #83 O ring over it to buffer the slide's muzzle cup when it hits the face of the take down lever. This works great with the original slide system...it does not work well with the QD captive spring as the front washer chews into the O ring pretty quickly. I'm doubting that the aftermarket spring is any stronger than the stock one. Add too much spring strength and the slide won't cycle. It might feel stronger just because it is compressed. 1917
 

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thanks for all your hard work and info, i will take good care of it. happy with the buy, not happy that nothing in life feels more natural in my hand than the old p22 and wish i had a 9mm exact everything except weight and thickness obviously.. ive been avoiding the p99 because of the price tag.. but maybe it is time. we will see how long the pps and p22 occupy me
 

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If you like the feel of the P22 probably the closest pistols Wather makes to it would be the PPS and even more so the CCP. From where I sit the CCP is an unreliable design although the ergonomics are great. I'm still not convinced it is drop safe. The P22 is a plinker....the CCP a self defense firearm. I'm far less forgiving regarding function issues with such pistols. 1917
 

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when i bought my pps it was between both that and ccp i liked the look and feel of the ccp much more but thats all then the negatives i kept hearing piled on like tedius field stripping sketchy misfire safety, compared to everything positive about that classic pps from the ground up apparently winning concealed pistol of the year award in 2014 or 16 idr. i was looking at a creed too but for the same reasons i went with the antlers. i do like the look and feel of the pps much more now after having it a while, paddle power is so good

but i have a question, if my p22s slide broke, and this slide hasnt been in production in a decade, but its covered by lifetime warranty.. what happens?

obvious differences obvious similarities, love them both the only thing i really really like the same on both is the paddle. if only a 9x19round could fit in such a small handle, just thicker everything so itll only blow out of your hands, not blow up IN your hands

it actually is pretty remarkable when i pick one up after the other and really compare, feels like a close fam member
 

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I'm not sure Ft Smith has the P99 theme slide or not. Bet you could find someone who would swap the original slide for a new, thicker one though. In any event they will pay for 100% replacement/repair costs. Lifetime warranty. 1917
 

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thanks, im going to look into making this trigger your talking about.

i was under the impression that there is no guarenteed drop safety for ANY .22lr pistol or rifle. i never actually looked into that fact and assumed it was hot, do not drop.
 

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With the P22 there are three blocks regarding the firing pin. First when the safety is set to safe, a cam on top of the drum engages a cutout on the bottom of the firing pin which stops movement. Additionally the drum physically blocks the hammer from being able to hit the firing pin and finally the inertia driven pin has a spring loaded drop safety that also blocks movement of the firing pin forward unless the trigger is pulled and the front arm of the sear drops. If a part were to break when the pistol is dropped....anything is possible.

One of my concerns regarding the CCP is that the drop safety is near the rear of the striker's travel....not near the chamber which is a common location. The sear and the drop safety are very close to one another. This means that the CCP can short stoke when firing or when a round is being chambered and the striker not be caught. This allows the striker spring to cause the striker to follow the slide forward while a round is chambered. The firing pin nose of the striker then rests against the primer. Apparently, the forward velocity of the slide slows down the speed of the striker where it will not ignite the primer. But it leaves a mark. I've seen a video of a drop test where the pistol fires in this condition. It appears legitimate to me. What the testers did was chamber a round with the striker not caught by the sear or striker block. So, the firing pin is resting against the primer. They then dropped the pistol on the rear of the grip and slide. It fired.

Why did it fire? I believe the striker compressed the striker spring and in this test the rebounding striker spring fires the striker into the primer with enough force to ignite it. Movement of the slide does not slow forward movement of the striker. If I had one of these pistols I would thoroughly test this to let everyone know the results. Other than that...too many have had stoppages of one sort or the other including flying apart. No thanks. 1917
 

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I've got several threads on trigger jobs. But, warning...this is delicate work and if not done properly can result in the sear sliding off the hammer hook with the pistol firing if loaded and with the safety on. All steps of assessing if a trigger job is safe should be carried out before fully loading and firing.

There are no guides....so I had to figure this out myself and I also don't have any factory drawings. I had to do my own measurements and tests. I will say that Walther lowered the hooks on the QD hammer very similar to what I was doing. I believe the reason was that the tall hooks were not being released by the decocking lever acting on the drop safety. I have pictures of old engagement vs new and the only other thing I do is change the angle of the hooks to what I perceive as a more neutral engagement and undercut the sear faces. Lower hooks and an under cut sear face means the sear has to move a very short distance to release the hammer. No creep. The angle of engagement determines trigger pull. I drop mine to 2 1/4 lbs. It takes almost 1 lb simply to bend the trigger bar spring so that it will engage the sear.

Then you must test with an unloaded pistol you sear work...does it reliably catch, can you force the hammer off the sear with your thumb. How about when you bank it pretty hard at all angles into a folded towel? Does it reliably catch when you load one round and test fire? etc. There are two hammer hooks and two arms on the sear. All must be cut evenly and in no case can you create a negative engagement angle and have a safe pistol. 1917
 

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thanks im saving all of this, will compile up yours/other threads. modifications like this ill definitely leave alone for now till i have more of a concrete understanding. it does sound like when not broken, drop safety and all around safety is IN effect for the p22 making it 1 22 i feel safer about lol. random question, i have no clue if you would know or not but i figure if anyone would maybe you and a military acedamia could answer. i heard a sort of a snapple fact a few years back, that a division of the indian military/army were issued p22s as a side arm. not sure why or where i got that from, curious to know if true. im not indian/asian, not that it matters.. just interesting. i would be pretty surprised if true, just because of caliber.. the only part of my mind that makes me think its rational is because well, its walther.. and all the good things we know about the p22.. but the bad things along with the cali and rimfire make me call bs..

i read this at 6am, got me awake enough for my commute haha, your knowledge is vast. thanks again, i know i have more questions.. they are coming
 

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well i ended up just buying a p99 AS from budsgunshop, will pick it up sometime next week, excited
 

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Somewhere there is a list of police and military arms by Country. What I remember is that the P22 is issued in Bangladesh to the military or police as a sidearm. That was probably about 10 years ago. 1917
 

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Somewhere there is a list of police and military arms by Country. What I remember is that the P22 is issued in Bangladesh to the military or police as a sidearm. That was probably about 10 years ago. 1917
yeah that bangladesh sounds better and it is referenced somewhere in correlations with the p22 being issued to bangladesh (SWADS) some kind of special unit, but no further info and its not listed as part of the current armory i found.

what i DID find however is that there is not enough time in the day to enjoy shooting especially when im taking like 5 things to shoot.. i need to slim it down some
 
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