I was just looking around for anyone that had found rear iron sights with height and cross wind adjustment but red dot co-witness heights.
I didnt exactly find an answer but I did read about someone having issues with shots landing far left of poa w/a PDP. It went on to read that it was bore sighted, (which should get you on paper at 10-15 yards...maybe further)... and said the poi was so far left, even w/ it being bore sighted so it might be the gun itself. I just went through a deal with my Glock where it too was shooting left from poa. I got some great advice about grip, breathing, trigger torque/control, and timing of when you bring the trigger to "break" and the coordinating of those things.
That is your breathing can impart slight errors in your aim at the last sec b4 your trigger breaks for example.
I just hear a lot about "guns shooting to the left".
There's whole video's on the topic.
I was not at all meaning to sound rude or all knowing...
Someone else had said in a reply to the shots landing left, that the PDP was a duty pistol so don't expect but so-so accuracy. I was only speaking of what MY experience has been which is my PDP is really accurate. Now I have upgraded to the Walther dynamic performance trigger which is amazing. I put in the solid tungsten guide rod assembly which does noticeably help muzzle flip. I have a green dot holosun 507c x2 but I have NOT installed it yet. It's been so fun with just the stock sights that I've just held off on doing it...(plus as I mentioned, I'd like to find red dot co-witness height adjustable rear sights b4 I install it).
I was not exaggerating when I said I can hit steel targets set at 200 yards. We have a huge range up hear outside of Asheville NC. Its really 6 ranges on 1, giant 60 acre spread. This range has a 1000 yard range..thats .53 miles!!!! So if you have a Begara or a Sako, there's fun-o-plenty on that range..lol.
But I really feel there's much merit/benefit from shooting at targets that far off with a pistol even if I only land 1 out of 4 shots. To practice at those distances and then you go for a day at 25 & 50 yard targets, your able to just shread!!. It's like when playing/practicing guitar. I played a classical to practice with because it's got a really wide finger board so you gotta train your fingers to make some really serious stretching to make some chords...SOOOO, when you go to play for real on your electric guitar with a really skinny finger board, it's like butter...you can hit any chord you go for. There's some Steely Dan songs with 30 chord changes in 1 song!! I digress...
So in the same way...shooting at farther away targets then you would likely never need to shoot at, this will help you shread at much closer in shots.
The other thing I'd say to the PDP is a duty pistol so it's not accurate..
Do you know the PPQ (Def a comp pistol) & the PDP are 97% the same gun!! The barrels swap, the slides swap, even the triggers swap... The PDP slide, it looks blocky but it's lighter then the same size PPQ slide...The Guide rods & recoil spring are the same as well!!. If your saying a PDP is a less then accurate gun then the PPQ is as equally un-accurate.
I did mention that Walther has a new PDP called the PDP SD PRO with all kinds of competition inspired changes but again.. The PDP is forward compatible with the SD PRO... So, to say the PDP is not accurate and just a DUTY pistol (which I never heard until now was a designation of less accuracy? I really don't think that is true but it was expressed here as if it was true?).
Duty (from my understanding), refers to or means they have less or no manual safeties...no decocker, etc... most Glocks are DUTY pistols by definition.
I guess my thing was that I've had an experience with a pistol seemingly shooting left in the same way... while in reality, it was an issue the SHOOTER HAS. If your right handed and have gripping/trigger control issues, the gun will seem to aim left...if your Left handed, & you have a grip issue it will seemingly shoot right.
There's plenty of videos on how to break these habits. Also people don't appreciate how much it helps to dry fire practice. Most modern guns won't care if you dry fire it...if yours does, get snap caps. But this kind of working on your grip, breathing, stance, trigger control, timing and putting it all together is invaluable. Even to just holster & bring up to get a good sight picture as fast as you can is hugely helpful and you need not pull the trigger to practice this way.
I dont think anyone has a Walther that was shipped out that was shooting so far left that the rear sight, not only was moved to the right, as far as the screws would allow but also loosened the rear sight from its dovetail slid it even further to the right & it still wasnt aiming correct... That just doesn't seem possible to me? .
Bottom line, I have never had a bad shooting Walther...ever. I also find that when I have a gun that seemingly has issues with accuracy, it always turns out its me.
I dont know how much "behind the gun" time everyone has but it takes a lot of practice... A gun hobby is an expensive one and time consuming if you really want to do more then have a gun on your bed side table. If you want to get good and comfortable with your pistol, you need to use it. I have a small shooting area on my property so I can go to my back yard and I have a 40 yard, short range with some steel targets and areas for melons, paper targets, 2 litre bottles, etc. Good to make it fun... plus having diff siluettes to aim at actually helps while being fun.
I guess my last thing I'll say is it's hard for me to "feed in" to someone and further the notion of how it's the guns fault when someone doesn't get the performance they are expecting.
I mean, if you just got a new gun, then you go bore sight it, then you go to the range and expect YOU to be hitting dead on? It takes a lot of time to get where your shots land where you want.
When i go shooting the 200 yard range at steel, i have a friend spot for me to walk me in & onto the target... it will get to where you need that spotters help less and less.
now in really long distance rifle shooting, you'll need a spotter all the time.
If you can find a way to carve out a place to shoot at your convenience, you'll really improve.
Ill end on the other part which is where I didn't get that he meant 3-4" not feet. I was only trying to share advice that was given to me when I had similar issues & questions as to "could my gun be off that much?"...I've felt that way b4 too but in all those cases I worked on my issues and saw the guns almost never the main problem. This isn't to say that a gun can have inherent flaws. I just wanted to respond again because I wanted to emphasize I wasn't trying to judge anyone else... To be fair, I may be biased to Walther in general, as the PDP isn't the 1st one I have owned. But it's hard for me to put the blame of accuracy issues 100% on the gun. If a gun is way off then it's time to let a gun Smith or machinist to take some expensive measuring instruments to the gun and pin down why it's not keeping registration. When the slide returns to in battery, it should "seat" in the exact same spot it was rt b4 it fired the previous shot...your sights reside on the slide so if your slide doesn't come to rest in between shots at the same place, then you may have a problem. It won't be perfect but it shouldn't be off hardly at all from 1 shot to the next. Guys that really need crazy precision will have a machinist make a "bridge" that suspends an optic over the slide so the slide reciprocates under the sight and the sight itself never moves and is essentially part of the frame.
I really was wanting to help. I hope I didn't offend. Bottom line; Lots & lots of practice!!!
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