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Hi I have had a p22 for a couple years now and like most p22s i had the standard problems but after shooting it for a few hundred rounds it was working fine but the other day I was at the range with it and I shot a couple mags through it and noticed the slide was broke on one side so I contact Walther and send it back and they send me a new slide so I put it on the old frame and take it to the range and fire it and I have a single shot pistol it will not extract/eject it's like the slide don't even move because I have to rack it to get the spent casting out and feed a new round in every time i fire it any advice on y this is happening thanks in advance 馃憤
 

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So you just sent the broken slide to Walther (instead of the whole gun), and Walther swapped out the guts into the new slide and send it back to you?

My suggestion is remove the slide and the recoil spring, then put just the slide back on without the recoil spring and check for any binding and smoothness of the slide moving back and forth by hand.
 

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Hi I have had a p22 for a couple years now and like most p22s i had the standard problems but after shooting it for a few hundred rounds it was working fine but the other day I was at the range with it and I shot a couple mags through it and noticed the slide was broke on one side so I contact Walther and send it back and they send me a new slide so I put it on the old frame and take it to the range and fire it and I have a single shot pistol it will not extract/eject it's like the slide don't even move because I have to rack it to get the spent casting out and feed a new round in every time i fire it any advice on y this is happening thanks in advance 馃憤
Model year of pistol.....two letter code on frame at ejection port....AK, BD, etc.
Short or long barrel?
Ammo being used. Really important.
New recoil spring assembly or the old one?
Same barrel or a new one? Important.
New mainspring or hammer?
Captive recoil spring or old style?
Take down lever not damaged on the front side?

What you are describing is a classic situation that occurs with ammo that is too weak to cycle the slide. Blows the slide back a bit, then the spent case is shoved back into the chamber. If you got a new barrel....there have been a few reports recently of chamber problems where the expanded spent case won't eject.

From what you are saying you got a new slide, installed it, and the pistol won't cycle in that the spent case won't extract and eject. Firm grip necessary of course, light lubrication and ammo that is snappy enough to cycle the slide. A little more information and we will go from there. 1917
 

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So you just sent the broken slide to Walther (instead of the whole gun), and Walther swapped out the guts into the new slide and send it back to you?

My suggestion is remove the slide and the recoil spring, then put just the slide back on without the recoil spring and check for any binding and smoothness of the slide moving back and forth by hand.
I doubt the breech block was swapped. Probably a whole new slide. I've never heard of one not fitting properly though. Even a new Q slide fits an old frame fine. I've weighed the two against each other and there isn't a lot of difference in weight either. 1917
 

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I'm shooting CCI Quiets through a QD suppressed short barrel and they are one shot. Simply not enough blowback energy to cycle the slide....but they are quiet and that is what I need for this application. 1917
 

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My pistol is a BD model i beleave that's the p22q it has the short barrel i was shooting winchester xpert 136 grain lead hollow points it has the old barrel and no new mainspring or hammer takedown lever not damaged the only mods I did to the pistol is remove the mag safety and polish the hammer and feed ramp and trigger bar ears i also tried some cci mini mags with the same results
 

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Well if it won't cycle CCI Mini mags....we have a problem. BD would be a 2013 Q model with the original guide rod and recoil spring. Your new slide came with the captive recoil spring assembly. Since no new other parts....that rules them out as causing the issue. I don't think there is any appreciable weight difference between the Q slide and a QD slide ( say 2016 model or later), the only difference is the recoil spring assembly and you can't install the old style rsa in the new slide with the larger guide rod hole.

I'd remove the new recoil spring assembly, put the slide on the frame. I'd carefully inspect the face of the take down lever, inside of the pistol. I'd carefully inspect the captive recoil spring assembly for any bends, scratches that should not be there. I'd carefully inspect the under side of the slide for any marks that should not be there. If in doubt, post some well lit, sharply focused photos of the underside.

Then with the recoil spring assembly removed I'd press the stop up, cycle the slide back and forth 25 or thirty times feeling for anything that seems out of the ordinary. You are going to run into resistance if cocking the hammer and you are going to feel drag when the rear of the slide is over the hammer. You are going to feel a bump when the safety drum bounces over the hammer tip..

The extractor doesn't extract the spent case but is everything ok there. Since it is mounted in the slide does it still align with the extractor cut at the outer chamber? The way these slides operate is pretty simple....whatever the problem is should be obvious. Look at your trigger bar ears...not bent. How does the area under the slide look where they hit the small ramps on each side of the slide? The slide moves too fast to really see if it is moving when firing...it is common for weak ammo on about all .22 semi autos to blow the slide back a bit and then have the slide shove the case back into the chamber. The spent case has got to hit the ejector with force in order to be ejected. How does your ejector look....still straight? I don't think the mag safety can have any effect on this.

Before the slide engages the hammer it should effortlessly slide back and forth 3/4" with no recoil spring in the pistol. We might need pictures. 1917
 

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So the only problem is that a spent case won't extract and eject from the pistol when firing but will when you manually operate the slide. CCI Mini Mags don't cure the problem. Did you do any mods to the pistol subsequent to the slide breaking. Am I understanding that the slide you received is an original Q slide which uses the original guide rod and long recoil spring? If all of this is correct I don't exactly know what would be causing this. Interesting puzzle though. 1917
 

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Funny how those inferior all-steel Walther/Manurhin PP-series don't have such problems....

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You've been waiting for that I bet. :p Sure wish I had some of these pistols in hand to see what is going on. Can't see where the problem here makes sense. 1917
 

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You've been waiting for that I bet. <img src="http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick Out Tongue" class="inlineimg" /> Sure wish I had some of these pistols in hand to see what is going on. Can't see where the problem here makes sense. 1917
. Here are some pics I took I don't know if I'm missing something everything looks ok to me from all you guys are telling me I'm gonna try some different ammo of it ever stops raining and see what happens thanks for all the advice and suggestions
 

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Nothing jumps out. If CCI Mini mags aren't cycling it then it isn't an ammo problem. If the new slide came with the captive spring then you cannot use the old system. I'm not sure if you can put the spring in wrong but the black nose and washer is the front end. The hole in the muzzle is too large for the old style. The roll pin that holds the breech block in place looks a bit odd...right side at safety lever...but it might be the light. I trust there is a roll pin in there.

I notice you have a 2019 marked slide and that the safety drum is a return to the non slotted style used before the QD version. Does the firing pin block bounce up and down easily (oval piece on the bottom of the breech block) Should move easily up and down.

There is some shine of some kind adjacent to the bottom of the hardened pin at the hold open notch on the left side of the slide. It isn't dragging on the frame is it? When you have this pistol assembled, can you pull the slide all the way rearward without any binding? Cock the hammer (empty pistol, magazine removed) then pull the slide all the way rearward. Are you running into any resistance other than the drag over the hammer face. You should be able to pull the slide far enough rearward so that you can engage the slide hold open arm.

Think if you have changed anything on the pistol before putting on the new slide. I think if I removed the mag disconnect springs I would remove the polymer foot too. Are the two sideplate screws tight? Bottom of the pistol assembled properly? And you have cleaned the chamber thoroughly and a round will easily drop in and fall out if the pistol is tilted up. How about those fired cases...do they come out easily? 1917
 

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Above is what the original recoil spring is capable of in the new slide with the larger guide rod hole. It would be likely that the spring would bind between the muzzle hole and the guide rod.

But where we should have started this whole conversation was at the chamber. Since you didn't install a new barrel...will rounds freely drop into the chamber with a plunk and then fall out if the barrel is tilted upwards. If a chamber gets dirty, and they do, properly cleaning is necessary until rounds fit in without friction. Next, if the spent cases aren't extracting....are they easily removed or are you having to tap them out with a wood dowel or section of guide rod. If so, you have a chamber problem of some kind. 1917
 

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That comment was specifically for MGMike who I knew was going to comment when I said an Umarex pistol was better than any old Ulm produced version. :p
Such statements might get your membership here suspended.

I'm not sure what is going on with the OP's pistol. The chamber on all .22s and other semi autos all get dirty and if there is too much debris inside the chamber it can interfere with a round full seating and extracting. So, job one is to make sure that a chamber is spotless and that a variety of rounds freely drop in and fall out.

Then, recently...there have been some issues with the chamber on late model P22s. This was never seen on earlier P22s as far as I know. In these few pistols an irregularity inside the chamber is causing the expanded brass of the fired cartridge to not extract. A trip back to Ft Smith for a bit of honing cured the issue.

Since the OP has not had this issue prior to the slide change...I'm sorta ruling out a bad chamber but it sure could be a dirty chamber issue. If he has expanded one end of the old recoil spring and is trying to use it....that could be the problem. The new slide is designed for the new captive spring and it must be used. As far as I can tell it is the exact same spring as the original....just on a captive guide rod.

The other thing that we have seen before is a rim blow-out that damaged the slide. In one pistol it left parts of the case in the chamber and the owner did not know what was causing the problem with chambering rounds after a new slide was installed. Gun in hand and plenty of us would have immediately known something was wrong with the chamber....but solving issues over the net is a bit tricky. 1917
 

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The new slide is designed for the new captive spring and it must be used. As far as I can tell it is the exact same spring as the original....just on a captive guide rod.

I think the spring used on the new captive spring assembly might be 1-1/2 to 2 coils less from looking at photos of both and counting the number of coil turns. Maybe you can verify 1917 if you have both in front of you. If the new spring has less coils/turns, then it's probably a little softer too, and maybe why the new recoils spring helps the P22 operate more trouble free.
 

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. Here are some pics I took I don't know if I'm missing something everything looks ok to me from all you guys are telling me I'm gonna try some different ammo of it ever stops raining and see what happens thanks for all the advice and suggestions

What I find interesting is that the new slide from Walther has a "BK" marking (means make in 2019) and what looks like a serial number (WAR06342). Those markings are not on the slides of new pistols ... so is this something they must do for major replacement parts like a slide assembly?

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