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While almost all the online reviews for this gun are positive, for what that’s worth (only real complaint being about the “no de-cock safety), is there a lack of love for this gun?
I like Walther pistols (have 4) and I like the .380 as a caliber so with the PK being the only Walther .380 available it seemed a natural enough purchase. Seems I read somewhere that the CCP is coming out in .380 but that gun gets even less love then the PK.
Anyway so far I like the PK just fine. About 130 rounds thru it with only two function issues (FTF x2) in the first 10 rounds but the rest were flawless.

So is the lack of apparent love for this gun about the gun itself or more about the caliber?
 

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I have heard that before on here reference Umarex.
As a new collector of Walthers is there a list somewhere of what is made by them?
 

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I’m not a big fan of the .380 only because it more expensive than 9mm.......

Good point, I thought the same when I saw the "Not a lot of love for the PK380" title.


When a "gun curious" person talks to me about purchasing their first firearm (for home and/or self defense), and the .380 caliber come up, my first response is "due to .380 cost, make sure you first shoot, and rule out 9mm".
 

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I have heard that before on here reference Umarex.
As a new collector of Walthers is there a list somewhere of what is made by them?
Umarex mainly builds .22LR versions of centerfire pistols and rifles for other manufacturer's under license from them. Here's a few that I know of :

"Walther" P22 and PPK/S in .22LR, PK380, CCP
"Colt" several 1911 and AR15/M16/M4 variants in .22LR
"HK" MP5 and HK416 in .22LR
"Beretta" 92A1 .22LR conversion kit
Uzi in .22LR

I've got the P22, 1911 Government Model, and the Beretta 92 conversion kit. The 1911 is decent (better than the Kimber .22LR) and the Beretta conversion is actually really good. I seem to have had better luck with Umarex products than most around here. I don't consider them to be junk and I'd like to pick up a CCP 9mm this year.
 

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What are you looking to collect? Modern poly or Classic metal.
Guess collect makes it sound more fancy then I meant.
Sold off a bunch of guns (all different calibers and makers - many historical) I accumulated over the years and am going to stick with one maker and just a few calibers. Normally a Sig guy (from my job) but decided to blaze my own trail in my personal life and Walther was chosen.

To answer your question directly so far I just have 4 brand new Walthers (PPQ, PPS, PK380, and .22 PPK/S) and am waiting for the new PPK/S. My “serious collecting” days are over and from now on am just going to buy what I can shoot.
 

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so far I just have 4 brand new Walthers (PPQ, PPS, PK380, and .22 PPK/S) and am waiting for the new PPK/S. My “serious collecting” days are over and from now on am just going to buy what I can shoot.
It sounds like you need a P38 in 9mm and a PP/PPK in .32ACP. Those are two of my favorite to shoot.
 

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The PK380 doesn't get a lot of love for several reasons. .380 doesn't really measure up to 9mm in effectiveness, so the caliber is a mark against it. The PK380 is also missing some features which are pretty close to standard on modern pistols - there is no external slide stop and no decocker. There have been numerous and varied reliability issues reported both here and elsewhere, and there is at least some tendency for it to be finicky about ammo. Finally, while it's accurate and pleasant to shoot (being a locked breech design where most other .380s are straight blowback means significantly less perceived recoil), it has a cheaper, less substantial feel than "real" Walther guns like the P99, PPQ, etc.
 

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I think it's mainly because it's made by Umarex. They don't have a great reputation.
Well that is not really true.

You have to see, what the main production of Umarex is. Airguns, Airsoft, Blank firing pistols.

As the PK380 and the P22 share the same frame with their vise versa on the blank firing side, Walther put production to of the P22 and PK380 to Umarex.

The reputation on the other products Umarex produces is fine.
 

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I bought my wife a p22 and a pk380. she practices with the p22 and cheap .22 ammo and builds muscle memory that carries directly over to the pk380. She has had the pk380 since they first came out, with hundreds of rounds through it and no problem at all. I originally bought her a p99c, but she did not like the weight or recoil and would not carry it. The pk380 is like an amex card "she never leaves home without it". Only complaint we would have is like others have mentioned, the 380 ammo is about twice the price of 9 mm.
 

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She has had the pk380 since they first came out, with hundreds of rounds through it and no problem at all.
That is lucky. I wish I could say my personal experience matched it, but my wife's PK380 had to make a trip to Walther Arms due to repeated malfunctions. It got a new extractor and associated pin & spring while there. It seems ok now, but it also seemed ok for the first several hundred rounds and only then started having problems, so long-term, I guess we'll see...? She doesn't shoot anywhere near as much as I do, so it may take a while for problems to surface again if they do.

It's really too bad the PK380 is not made to the same quality standards as the P99, PPQ, and PPS lines; I think it could be a really nice gun if it was, even given that .380 kind of sucks compared to 9x19.
 

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I like the .380 as a caliber. Yes I get the 9 is “better” in almost every category but I have this weird thing for a .380.
In my month old PK I have fired about 130 rounds and had two FTF (slide didn’t close x2) in the very first 10 rounds but the remaining 120 (100 of which were Federal) the gun performed perfectly.
Also I’ll be labeled as a crazy man but I am hoping to see the CCP come out in .380
 

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It's really too bad the PK380 is not made to the same quality standards as the P99, PPQ, and PPS lines; I think it could be a really nice gun if it was...
To refresh my memory, I looked at one again at the Walther booth at the NRA convention. It reminded me of an impression that I had forgotten: that it's a P22 on steroids, with everything that implies.

In other words, a Taurus with a German nameplate.

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As an owner of multiple Walther pistols, and serial cleaner and parts examiner of said guns, the PK380 which I, perhaps oddly, really like definitely shows the signs of “not being made by Walther.”
Externally the gun is fine but internally the different lineage (Umarex) certainly shows internally on the slide area.

The main offender here (quality-wise) was the barrel and chamber area. I have quite a bit of firearms experience and never recall all the heat treatment marks on any gun. Weird but okay I suppose. Perhaps all have that but it just shows in the unfinished(?) metal.
The chamber area though was poorly and roughly machined with clear “divots” (like a drunken attempt with a grinder) around the lip of the chamber and the feed ramp was hardly the usual polished Walther product. Ended up taking it to a local gunsmith to have it all smooth and polished up.

With all that said, as mentioned above, except for the two “fail to feed” (slide not closing all the way) in the very first 10 rounds the PK went through the next 120 rounds with no problems so while it may not be pretty it apparently works just fine. It just doesn’t have the fine “Swiss watch” looks and feel of my other Walthers.
Have not had a chance to shoot it since the barrel job but that will only improve things in the future. Still like it though and carry it often.
 

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So, talking about not getting enough Love for the PK380, I would like to break some ice for that nice little shooter.

Shot a competition again with mine last weekend. Came in with 278 from 300 possible points/rings on the competition Police Pistol 4 (Pocket Gun). The competition is shot at multiple distances starting at 15m with 2 time 5 shots in 100 seconds including a relaod. Going further to 10m with 2 times five intervals of 2 seconds each with one shot per interval and then 7m with 2 times three intervals of 2 seconds with 2 shots max.

In training the day before I came with almost the same result, 10 points more then at the competiton (it was raining buckets at the competition).

Here is a picture of the result from training and I find the PK380 is pretty damn accurate for what it cost



Oh, any never mind the brown stickers. That was my Glock....damn I hate that thing
 

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Nice shooting!
Just shot some Sig JHP thru my post-gunsmith chamber and feed ramp with zero problems.
Switching over to Federal HST JHP so I’m shooting it up.
Plan on breaking out the bench and accuracy testing all my Walthers.
 
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