[Sammy23]

Got my first range time with a PPK/S rimfire, this afternoon. The pistol fed CCI Mini Mags and Remington Golden Bullets flawlessly. I was impressed. Accuracy was well within expectations.
I bought this one after owning a couple of Interarms .380s, many years ago. I was always impressed with their build quality but was never sold on the .380 for defensive purposes.
Here's my question. Does the double action pull on these Arkansas PPK/S rimfires improve over time? I could not believe the DA trigger pull resistance on this new plinker. It virtually eliminates any chance for accurate fire at more than a few feet from the target. It is easily the heaviest DA trigger I have ever experienced on a handgun.
Overall, I like this new addition. Its styling, SA trigger and reliability were more than satisfactory for its first 200 rounds. Can anything be done about the double action?

 

[Redcat94]

Can anything be done about the double action?

Not really. The heavy DA trigger is a common complaint but there isn't much that can be done about it. The heavy springs are a requirement in order to reliably crush the brass rim on a variety of different ammunition types.

You can try lightening the springs but then you'll run into reliability issues.

 

[Sammy23]

Not really. The heavy DA trigger is a common complaint but there isn't much that can be done about it. The heavy springs are a requirement in order to reliably crush the brass rim on a variety of different ammunition types.

You can try lightening the springs but then you'll run into reliability issues.

 

[Sammy23]

I won't fool with the springs and likely violate my warranty. It's remarkable that other manufacturers can produce reliable DA rimfire ignition without an overwhelming heavy trigger. I once had a German PP in .22lr. It's trigger pull was similar to S&W DA rimfire revolvers I owned. Walther's modern day engineering doesn't measure up to the old standard.

 

[Redcat94]

Walther's modern day engineering doesn't measure up to the old standard.

I have a 1936 PP and 1965 PPK, both in .22 LR. Neither of them has a very good DA trigger.

 

[Jimmo952]

I have a 1936 PP and 1965 PPK, both in .22 LR. Neither of them has a very good DA trigger.

The same with DA rimfire revolvers. The DA trigger pulls on Smith, Ruger and other rimfire revolvers are typically quite a bit heavier than their centerfire brethren.

 

[Sammy23]

I have two, stock S&W Model 63 rimfires. Their DA trigger pulls are lighter and smoother than the year-old S&W Model 66 .357 I own. I would not generalize that rimfire revolvers have heavier DA triggers. All three of these revolvers are far superior to the awful PPK/S .22 I just bought. The DA on the new Walther really stinks.

 

[Wildtoad]

I don’t worry about the DA trigger on mine. I simply pull the hammer back. Problem solved.

 

[Jimmo952]

I have two, stock S&W Model 63 rimfires. Their DA trigger pulls are lighter and smoother than the year-old S&W Model 66 .357 I own. I would not generalize that rimfire revolvers have heavier DA triggers. All three of these revolvers are far superior to the awful PPK/S .22 I just bought. The DA on the new Walther really stinks.

I don't doubt your experience.

The fact that your 63s have better triggers than your year-old 66 might be saying something about your recent production 66. With a little work, the 66's trigger should be able to be tuned into something lighter and at least as smooth if not smoother than your 63s.

I wasn't comparing a .22 PPK/S to a revolvers DA pull. They are different animals. I'm just making the point that DA rimfire revolvers revolvers are usually sprung heavier than their closest centered cousins.

I'm a guy with latent revolver-guy tendencies. I'm comfortable with my generalization.

I get you are frustrated with your rimfire PPK/S.
The PPK and PPK/S are well known to have heavy DA pulls. The need to ensure reliable ignition with the rimfire version unfortunately excabates that.

 

[Sammy23]

That was my observation. I have owned various rimfire revolvers and semi auto pistols. In fifty years as a gun hobbyist I have never encountered a stiffer, more difficult to manage double action trigger. The Arkansas Walther PPK/S .22lr is terrible. The feedback I've received acknowledges that things do not smooth out with use.

 

[kbmcml]

That was my observation. I have owned various rimfire revolvers and semi auto pistols. In fifty years as a gun hobbyist I have never encountered a stiffer, more difficult to manage double action trigger. The Arkansas Walther PPK/S .22lr is terrible. The feedback I've received acknowledges that things do not smooth out with use.

Just wanted to point out that these newer PPK and PPK/S models in .22 LR aren’t really Arkansas guns. They are manufactured by Umarex - Walther’s parent company - in Arnsberg, Germany and brought into the USA by Walther’s US presence in Fort Smith, AR who distributes them.

I agree with you on the DA pull.

 

[ameridap]

I agree that the DA trigger pull is heavy BUT I do not agree that its hard to learn to control……..I practice a lot of dryfire with my PPK/s 380 (yes racking to) sitting at night watching CNN (kidding!) with my cats with a laser in it so they go wild……..I read on the forum long time ago this way your trigger pull gets stronger, more controlled……I tried and I got a little finger bicep now…seriously it will never be a single action pull at the range but at 10 yards I shoot it in center mass easily whereafter I am dead on! That’s good enough for my self defense…..and in case of emergency.

 

[Sammy23]

I agree that the DA trigger pull is heavy BUT I do not agree that its hard to learn to control……..I practice a lot of dryfire with my PPK/s 380 (yes racking to) sitting at night watching CNN (kidding!) with my cats with a laser in it so they go wild……..I read on the forum long time ago this way your trigger pull gets stronger, more controlled……I tried and I got a little finger bicep now…seriously it will never be a single action pull at the range but at 10 yards I shoot it in center mass easily whereafter I am dead on! That’s good enough for my self defense…..and in case of emergency.

I've spent plenty of time on P-Series DA Sigs, Beretta 92, .380 Walthers and countless DA revolver platforms. All were manageable. I would not carry a PPK/S .22 for any defensive purposes.

 

[kstewart61]

I am going on a year with my PPKS 22lr and so far it's been flawless great shooter and very reliable. My first three weeks were problems needed to send back to Walther for repairs three times but since then totally flawless.

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[hawk02]

Was thinking about buying one as a gift for my wife that she will barely use and end up becoming mine anyway 🙃

 

[Sammy23]

Was thinking about buying one as a gift for my wife that she will barely use and end up becoming mine anyway 🙃

The PPK/S rimfire is a fun plinker, in single action mode. Forget about the heavy DA trigger for any accuracy or possible self defense application. I've had fun with mine but it's ammo sensitive. CCI Mini Mags and Stingers are fine, Remington Golden Bullets have been flawless, too. I tried Winchester Super-X 40 solids recently. It was a frustrating experience with stovepipe jams in every magazine.
Knowing its DA/SA limitations, the pistol provides good accuracy and minimal recoil. It's way more fun to shoot than its .380 twin. At a price point under $400, I'm happy with mine.

 

[Balogh]

Just wanted to point out that these newer PPK and PPK/S models in .22 LR aren’t really Arkansas guns. They are manufactured by Umarex - Walther’s parent company - in Arnsberg, Germany and brought into the USA by Walther’s US presence in Fort Smith, AR who distributes them.

Because the PPK model may not be imported legally into the US and there is hardly any demand in other markets, it has never been produced in Arnsberg. But I suppose that the production of both the PPK and PPK/S replica models in .22lr will start in the US sooner or later.

 

[kbmcml]

Because the PPK model may not be imported legally into the US and there is hardly any demand in other markets, it has never been produced in Arnsberg. But I suppose that the production of both the PPK and PPK/S replica models in .22lr will start in the US sooner or later.

Let’s hope that if those guns are ever manufactured in Fort Smith then the quality will be better than the current Umarex models.

 

[Wildtoad]

I have owned one of the PPK/S .22 for seven years now and it is my second favorite range pistol. It has been problematic, been back to Walther a few times for various failures but at the moment, it shoots just fine. In regards to the DA trigger pull, IMO the issue is overblown. I can’t think of more than a handful of times in seven years actually firing the pistol in DA mode. If I have a round in the chamber I just pull the hammer back. One of the nice things about exposed hammer fired pistols is access to the hammer.

 

[kstewart61]

I favor hammer fired pistols not a big fan or striker fired. Both my 22lr are hammered fired and my 9mm is also hammered fired the all work great.

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