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let us know how you like the QA trigger in comparison to anything else (weight, travel, reset?).

but congrats! and take it to the range!
 

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Congrats. I've owned mine for about a month now and I've already got about 1500 rounds through it... You'll love it!
 

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Hey Patrick, how hard is it to buy a P99 (any handgun) in the Netherlands these days? I'm Dutch but I live in California so I'm curious. You have to be a member of a shooting club, right? Full size magazines? Are you allowed to use your gun for home defense or only for sports?

Anyway, welkom!
 

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Hallo, Nocturnal.

Yes, You'll have to be a member of a shooting club. to buy a own gun you need to be member for at least 1year + enough shooting skills. the local cops will also screen you before they give you a license. They wont give away a license if there is anything on your record from the last 8 years. ( een kleine ruzie kan er al voor zorgen dat je je vergunning niet krijgt )

They give away licenses for shooting sports. so no home defense. BUT the law say you can use it IF it's right to use it. You know what i mean? so if there's somebody pointing a gun on your head. you can use it to shoot back. but if there is somebody walking to you with a baseballbat/knife/or whatever, you're not allowed to point the gun at him


that can cause you some serious problems. you prolly know how f*cked up the netherlands is with the law. they can sue you and prolly win the case. even if they are breaking in YOUR house.

Carry the gun, is a big NONO. if they catch you carry it. you'll lose your license and they take the gun.

Full size magazines, allowed.

i guess it's a lot easyer to buy a gun in the US? right? and they even allow you to carry it? somethimes i read story's on US forums that's just crazy. some ppl don't even go on vacation without the gun
it's not that worse over here (YET). you still can travel without a gun. but it's getting worse every day.

Groet,
Patrick
 

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Quote[/b] (Patriick @ July 23 2005,06:09)]Hallo, Nocturnal.

Yes, You'll have to be a member of a shooting club. to buy a own gun you need to be member for at least 1year + enough shooting skills. the local cops will also screen you before they give you a license. They wont give away a license if there is anything on your record from the last 8 years. ( een kleine ruzie kan er al voor zorgen dat je je vergunning niet krijgt )

They give away licenses for shooting sports. so no home defense. BUT the law say you can use it IF it's right to use it. You know what i mean? so if there's somebody pointing a gun on your head. you can use it to shoot back. but if there is somebody walking to you with a baseballbat/knife/or whatever, you're not allowed to point the gun at him


that can cause you some serious problems. you prolly know how f*cked up the netherlands is with the law. they can sue you and prolly win the case. even if they are breaking in YOUR house.

Carry the gun, is a big NONO. if they catch you carry it. you'll lose your license and they take the gun.

Full size magazines, allowed.

i guess it's a lot easyer to buy a gun in the US? right? and they even allow you to carry it? somethimes i read story's on US forums that's just crazy. some ppl don't even go on vacation without the gun
it's not that worse over here (YET). you still can travel without a gun. but it's getting worse every day.

Groet,
Patrick
Patrick,
Remember we have the Constitution that guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. I think we are the only country who has this written into the founding laws .
The right to carry is regulated by each state. some states will honor another states carry license, some will not. It can get confusing. There are still draconian states that will not allow a carry license. There is one state that allows carry without any type of permit.
We have laws regarding the purchase of firearms but generally speaking a back ground check is done before the firearm is released.


As for carrying on vacation or while travelling. It's not that it's bad over here, actually crime is generally reduced quite a bit. Think of it like this.
Since your going to travel you might take a cooler with drinks just in case. Well, we bring ourr firearm just in case. and since we have a license to carry, it just becomes another item that we carry. Like a pocket knife or multi tool, wallet, credit cards, flaslight, spare tire, etc.

Enjoy your P99. I find the 99 fits the hand better than any other gun , except maybe the High Power.
 

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Patriick, that being said, i would have to say that very few people in the US actually carry a handgun. I'm sure many of us here at Walther Forums and Glock Talk carry, but I think you've just been reading a lot of websites that are all about carrying (like packing.org). Thats not exactly what everyone in the US is like. I'm not saying i'm against carrying, I plan to do it myself, but we are a small minority. (texas and a few other states like that are a different story, where it is still not common to see open or concealed carry, but it's not unheard of). The US, for the most part, is not an extremely violent place, even in New York City where I work. Don't pay attention to Michael Moore's "Documentaries" about terrible violence in the US, its blown way out of proportion. But anyway, people who carry daily and say they never leave the house without a handgun are just practicing their rights. I think its a great right to have because criminals can carry guns without permits whenever and wherever they want.  -Dave

Now tell us how that QA trigger shoots!!! I really want to know.
 

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Hey Patrick, thanks for the explanation. I'm glad to hear it's relatively easy for a law abiding citizen to own a handgun in NL. My parents had people break into their house while they were in their bedroom on the second floor. You can bet if my dad had had a gun it would have been out of the safe and pointed at the door regardless of knife/bat whatever. I have a hard time believing you'd end up in prison for defending your family in your house with your lawfully owned firearm. Of course your actions will be scritinized by procecutors but that's the same here.

As for carrying, like Madecov wrote, laws vay from state to state. Even county to county can be different. Here in CA for example the local Sheriff has to approve your application. In Napa county they have a 'shall issue' policy while here in Santa Clara I doubt it's that liberal. On the one hand I wish there were federal regs so that everyone had the same rights but on the other hand the local laws allow people to live with like minded folks. Both have advantages I suppose.

Very very few people carry. Most are already occupied in police or security work. I want a license so I have the option to carry. It won't happen where I live now but next year I'll be moving to Connecticut which is a shall-issue state. No reason not to get a license.
 

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DavePont:
i haven't shoot the p99qa yet. i'll inform you about the shooting as soon i took it to the club



Noctural:
"I have a hard time believing you'd end up in prison for defending your family in your house with your lawfully owned firearm" -
Trust me.. you´ll end up with some serious shit, if the man who breaks into YOUR house sue´s you for pointing/shooting a gun at him. i can tell you a story what happend a few months ago! a shoplifter got caught stealing a can soda from a store. some employee who saw it happend did mention the guy to pay for it. he refused and ran out the store. the employee did follow the thief. outside it went into a fight. the thief ended up with a broken nose. he sue´d him and even won the case!! he didn´t end up to jail. but had to pay a huge ammount of money for breaking his nose. it has been on the news. tv and newspaper. our prince did call the judge and told him he would pay for the employee, because he thought it was bullshit to let him pay. ( we have a queen/prince in holland, no president
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our law systems sucks.. as long you act right acording to the law you dont have to worry.. but if you don´t..


and about that carry issue. it´s a little clear to me now. i had a wrong immage about carrying in the US cause of glocktalk  


btw, are there any other GOOD forum´s that you guys know about? and online stores maybe?

Grts,
Patrick
 

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I remember that story and the fact that Prins Bernhard paid the fine. Well, I'd still rather go to jail than to the crematorium. Here we say, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" or something like that.
 

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There are quite a few good forums over in the states, one of the best is www.ar15.com They cover almost everything firearm related. Let me know how it turns out with the QA, I had one of the older P99's break on me last month and Smith and Wesson (the current US distributer) Doesn't have anymore of them, they offered me a QA in it's place but I haven't heard enough about it to make up my mind.
 
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