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Necessity for a drop safety on the trigger

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I just watched this linked video out of curiosity, and there was one section I thought I'd bring up on this forum. I've been on this forum for around 12 years now, and I've explained the purpose of the "lever" on the trigger and why it is important on the design of most striker fired pistols, many times. Many seem to think that it is there for some reason other than a drop safety. The link below shows two drop tests where the pistols impacted the ground in a "muzzle-up" position. Notice how much trigger travel there was there, and why that lever is there to stop rearward movement of the trigger bar. You only need to watch for about 10 seconds to see what I'm getting at here:

5:04 & 5:07

It is first and foremost, a drop safety. It is a necessity for safety. Do not trust aftermarket triggers available for these pistols that do not have a drop safety on the trigger.
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Has someone argued against the trigger blade/safety?
Has someone argued against the trigger blade/safety?
Yes, many times. Mostly out of ignorance, or just wanting to be argumentative.

Multiple discussions on this forum have been made where I had to explain why that blade was necessary. This is a visual explanation as to why. A quick link to this thread in the future should make that point more clearly the next time it comes up.
Perhaps that video should be stored in a quick reference folder...that is a life/death safety issue.
Walther does make those adjustable/swapable trigger kit without the dingus though...

OG P99 commercial dropping the gun from the helicopter... :)
...that is a life/death safety issue.
Agreed.

Walther does make those adjustable/swapable trigger kit without the dingus though...
I remember that. I was either the first, or one of the first on this forum to speak up against it on that thread a while back. I remember there were pages of discussion where I had to repeat myself there to people wanted to argue against this. I also remember a forum member stating something along the lines of "the trigger safety is nothing more than a gimmick".

Walther must have seen a reason why they never sold that trigger here in the US. The only "competition" triggers that they sold here, all had a drop safety on the trigger. The fact that they released that trigger for sale anywhere was amazing to me. I believe that trigger also bypassed the firing pin block by shortening pre-travel, which may have been even more dangerous than bypassing the drop safety. I wouldn't even load a pistol with that little margin for safety in regard to drop safety, or the possibility for parts breakages. The possibility of that pistol going full-auto also increases exponentially by bypassing the safeties that it did.

OG P99 commercial dropping the gun from the helicopter... :)
The P99 has a drop safety on the trigger as well.

The point is that stopping the trigger bar from moving rearward is the main goal of the drop safety, whatever the method for achieving this. Whether it is the entire trigger that pivots to the rear (P99), or a lever in the trigger that does so (PPQ, PDP, Glock, etc.), it is there for a very important purpose.

Hopefully the video above does a good job of explaining why.
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I contacted Walther Ft Smith and Earl and was advised those trigger/sear combinations were not going to be sold in the US because of our liability laws. When Earl got those in to sell I called him back and he told me he could sell only the trigger and the sear block would not be sold here. It still amazes me that he sold them!
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Even if it was available, my question is why would anyone who knew anything about how pistols and the parts inside them work, want that trigger on their pistol? I tried to tell people how much of a danger this was and received push back. People have no idea how easy it would be to get a pistol with this trigger installed to fire unintentionally, or go full-auto.

That was just one example though. I remember one member here making a steel trigger shoe and attaching it to the stock trigger bar with no drop safety. I remember another member taping the drop safety on the trigger to the rear. I remember members here removing the firing pin block from the slide. I remember a member here shortening pre-travel on the stock trigger to the point that both the drop safety and firing pin block were bypassed. Literally, every single time, I had people trying to argue that I was wrong to advise against this.

Walther didn't put any unnecessary parts on these pistols. All of them serve a purpose. Some people don't understand the purpose or function of some of the safety features on these pistols. That section of that video in the first post explains the purpose of the drop safety on the trigger.
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I recall most of those changes you mention...and how hard you argued against them. You and the rest of us will just have to keep telling the same story over and over.
I too recall the conversation that ensued when Walther introduced their "Expert" trigger.

It was/is a user adjustable trigger with no safety blade.

The trigger was quickly withdrawn/never quite introduced, at least in the USA.

Some time later, the Dynamic Performance Trigger made it's debut which included a trigger-blade safety but was not user adjustable.

It was discussion on this forum that first highlighted the possible safety issues with the Expert trigger.

My understanding is the Expert trigger is still being sold in Europe. Perhaps one of our European members can verify if that is actually the case.
The elusive 3 piece spring set is available using the listed sku: Trigger Spring Kit PPQ, 3 piece kit (2836467) | Carl Walther Sport Weapons from multiple websites...but can't see if through just googling.

If the Expert trigger isn't available, the "Buy" option on the Walther Germany website is wrong.
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