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Anyone want to take a shot at explaining this?
I like the paddle release just fine - having two pistols with it - but for “training” purposes I would prefer to have all on one type. And given a choice on them I would have got the “button.”

With that said the M2 button is (IMHO) far superior for many reasons. Simple, easy, quick. Perhaps the fact I’ve always had them is a big reason but it would seem a hard system to improve on.

Yet here is this forum I hear quite a bit from a subset about how they wish this pistol or that one would have a paddle. Extolling the existence of the paddle but never quite saying why. Even so far as to not buying a pistol because it doesn’t have one.

Any logical reasons for this preference or is it a “just because?”
 

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Personally, i cannot imagine wanting a paddle release. To me it is similar to wanting a car with the drivers controls on the right side of the car. However, accepted conventions often motivate people to be the exception to the norm. Why? To be different? Or just because they like paddle releases? Different strokes ............
 

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I love my paddle release pistols (Walther & HK). I wish more companies would consider adding them to their products (they won’t, I know). Why do I like them? I do NOT have to adjust my dominant hand shooting grip to manipulate them. All other push button styles I have to completely adjust my grip to hit the button. Even if the button is ambidextrous. Paddle I use my middle finger of shooting hand to hit the paddle. Can’t do that with the button style on shooting side let alone on the “normal” left side of the gun.
 

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I have small hands, and my right thumb cannot reach the button release without rotating the entire gun to the left. On my P99AS, I can just press down on the right paddle release with my trigger finger to drop the magazine. It's a very natural motion that does not require finger or hand contortions, and keeps the gun (mostly) pointed at the target during the changeout.
 

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This is no fascination. The paddle mag release is actually an excellent system. Everybody and their sister has been using button guns for the last hundred years....old habits are hard to break. And then some simply refuse to change.

I have both M1's and M2's. I can use/handle both variants....however, the paddle design is easier and seems more intuitive. Just like any new or different system, it does take some time and practice.

Its NO fascination.
 

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I've said why I prefer the paddle any number of times here. No "fascination" with it, it simply has clear advantages over the button release.

1) No need to shift grip to release the magazine
2) Less prone to accidental activation than the button
3) Is ambidextrous by nature
4) Befuddles those not initiated into its mysteries
 

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It's not like a paddle is like driving a manual five speed auto and the button works like an automatic transmission. They are slightly different and in my experience the paddle works much easier. I have both and will keep both.
 

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Shoot however you will but I see a lot of “changing grip” reasons and that fine.
For me I change my grip/backstraps/whatever if I can’t keep my grip and hit the button. M
 

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Anyone want to take a shot at explaining this?
Sure.

My defensive pistols are carry pistols. I shoot left handed and carry my pistol on my left side waistband. Paddle mag releases are easier for me to use and less likely to release the mag unintentionally, and maybe even worse, unknowingly.

I'd suggest this to everyone here. Compare the amount of times that you personally have had a mag release in a holstered pistol you were carrying that had a button mag release, and then compare that number to the number of times you have ever heard of anyone who had to reload their concealed carry pistol in a defensive encounter.

In my case, it would be more than a handful of times, compared to none.

I'll ask the OP, if you were me, and you managed to use the paddle mag release faster and more comfortably, and you never had an issue with a lever mag release unintentionally releasing the mag, why would you want a button mag release?

It's not like a paddle is like driving a manual five speed auto and the button works like an automatic transmission.
I'd say it is more like a regular shift pattern vs that of a dog leg shift pattern.

I believe one is more popular, while the other is "better" for performance.

Both are useable.
 

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Errr. Ultimately you can use what you want. Do what you want.
Dunno why it feels like I hit a sensitive subject here based on the “tone” of some of the answers but text can be tricky. That’s fine if the paddle works better for you.
Have at it gentlemen.
 

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For the ultimate in magazine retention, Walther should consider offering a P1-style heel release in addition to a paddle/button release in future iterations of the PPQ... :D
 

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Ultimate!
Course I’d be dead by the time I figured it all out.
 

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If anyone thinks they need a button mag release to be effective in a real gun fight, please share any REAL experiences with how a lightning fast mag change ever made the difference in a self defense victory. I have guns with both types, and I can say that I have never had a mag accidentally dropped or popped (unlocked but still in the gun) from a paddle release gun, but have had it happen with many other, button release guns. I am a lefty, and admittedly, we seem to bump the button more, as it sticks out the left side, but I know it has happened to other right handed folks. It doesn't stop me from carrying the button mag release equipped guns that I own, but I will not condemn te paddle mag guns just because they are a few microseconds slower to change out mags. In real gunfights, the lightning mag change is mostly a myth. Prove me wrong, if you have the hard evidence otherwise.
 

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Most of my pistols are button release, but I have four Walther pistols with the paddle release, and in reality I prefer it. My first gun was a P99AS so maybe that has something to do with it?

The biggest thing for me is not having to re grip the pistol to reach the button. Some guns with button releases just fit better for me, some (like 1911's) I can't reach. The PPQ M2's are pretty good. One of the most ergonomic 'buttons' out there. But the paddle is still better. YMMV. I am please that we still have some choice, and Walther is selling both models in the USA again!
 

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I’m not here to prove anything.
I was just curious as to people’s thoughts on this, apparently, hot button sensitive topic.
I do find people’s reactions quite interesting.
And, FWIW, I’ve done the button for 30+ years and never had a accidental mag drop.
 

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i prefer the padle style mag. Release like on the p99 and pps #1. Accualy much quicker and easier to use than the button style, you do need to use it to get used to it. But to each his own.
 

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Dunno why it feels like I hit a sensitive subject here based on the “tone” of some of the answers but text can be tricky.
I see a lot of explanations. I'm not seeing much sensitivity, but then, maybe its me who is misunderstanding the tone here. Have your questions been answered to your satisfaction?

There have been benefits of the paddle mag release mentioned that the button mag release does not have.

Are there any benefits of the push button mag release that would show it to be superior to the paddle?

If I may, I'll flip the question around. As someone who wants every performance benefit they can get, why would anyone choose a push button mag release over a paddle mag release?
 

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Errr. Ultimately you can use what you want. Do what you want.
Dunno why it feels like I hit a sensitive subject here based on the “tone” of some of the answers but text can be tricky. That’s fine if the paddle works better for you.
Have at it gentlemen.
You asked and they answered. Seems straight forward to me. Oh, I love my paddle release. Wish my P365 had one. I hate having to change my grip and search for that dang button.
 
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Performance benefit = the paddle release?
Okay. I consider myself answered (from some) as to the reasons for their preference.
Thank you to those who gave coherent reasons instead of the usual Paddle Defense League stuff.
Signing off and good night.
 

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Any logical reasons for this preference or is it a “just because?”

It's pretty goddamned hard to have an accidental mag drop with a paddle release.

That astounding fact aside, the uniqueness of the paddle set the PPQ and PPS Classic version ahead of the competition.

It's sad that Walther (and HK, for that matter) caved in to people..."oh hell no, if it ain't a (belly)button, I ain't buyin' it!"

:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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