[RCK]

I have to confess that I haven't been keeping up with the Walther lineup lately because of pressing personal issues, but I just now looked at the PPS. My first take is that I'm very disappointed.

Yeah, I know. Blasphemy!

When the P99 was announced, almost invariably it was compared to a Glock, but it's characteristics differentiated it from the Plastic Brick. The ergonomics, trigger configuration, and other attributes set it apart and redefined what a polymer handgun could be.

With the PPS, it appears to me that Walther has thrown all its willingness to innovate and distance itself from Glock out the window. What they've made is a Galther. Or a Wok. Whatever. You know what I mean.

Ok, here's what I don't like:
Glock trigger
Glock slide release
Glock takedown latch
Glock frame...

Need I go on?

The P99 was a benchmark in a new direction for polymer guns and innovative ergonomics, but this is a significant step backward, I think.

What do you guys think?

 

[0849]

Have to agree with you on some of the similarities, and they do not make me any more happy than you as I much prefer Walthers to Glocks.

However, after handling, shooting and carrying for a bit the new model PPS it feels like no Glock I have ever seen; the grip is much more comfortable at least for me, than any of the small Glocks and the slimness appears to make it more comfortable carry for me than the wider Glocks.

Will admit though, just knowing it is a Walther does mean something to me and probably, very subjectively, adds to the satisfaction with it; and even though this is a subjective element, believe there is some logic to that rationale on the basis that I have seen many models from Walther, that Walther has contibuted many excellent pistol designs, more than I have personally seen of Glocks, not saying that is a universal truth for everyone, just my personal experiences, so, at least to me, history with a particular manufacturer and tradition matters and adds to my level of confidence in a company's product.

 

[cal45]

While the slide stop and take down latch look alike, I have to disagree about the frame being Glockish. The slim frame with the changeable backstraps makes this far from a Glock. Glock's slimmest frame is their G36 and the PPS in no shape or form, feels like a G36.

Regarding the trigger, it may look like Glock's but the PPS pull has a consistant weight pull that a stock Glock trigger does not. The Glock has a very light take up until the last moment when the stock 5lb weight is felt to release the striker.

 

[Jake Starr]

Now I have not handled a PPS so I am only going by appearance...but I too think it is very Glockish. I think Walther would have been better off designing the PPS on a P22 frame, IMHO.

But from a marketing standpoint...it is a work of genius.

While it can't compare to a Kahr as to its size, Walther did make the point value in order to get this pistol imported. And the US is Glock crazy as well as most Police Depts. So this Wok or Glalther should be very easy to use for anyone who is accustomed to a Glock. Could it have looked better and retained more of the P99 characteristics? Yes. But it is a Walther and it may very well tap into a very sweet market niche...

I heard somewhere that there was a not so nice review of the PPS in a gun rag...anyone have any info?

(Just found out there is a review in the Sept. Issue of Guns & Ammo)

 

[banddr2]

While it can't compare to a Kahr as to its size, Walther did make the point value in order to get this pistol imported.
)

Good point, I was complaining about it being too big, I forgot about the GCA'68 import rules. I am waiting yet to see one at any of my local gun shops

 

[GPalmer]

Yeah, I know. Blasphemy!

Not to me, I've taken a look at it and just don't understand what about it is supposed to make me want one instead of a P99c. Pretty much the same size and weight and lower capacity... Anyway, so far I haven't seen anyone post anything that is really improved about it...

 

[Jake Starr]

Anyway, so far I haven't seen anyone post anything that is really improved about it...

Only that it is more Glock like and appeals to the Glock and Walther markets. Glock guys may be attracted to it because of its features, Walther guys because it is a Walther. While the size difference between the PPS and the
P99c is almost nill, remember that preception is 90% of reality. If it really feels slimmer it IS slimmer.

 

[GPalmer]

Only that it is more Glock like and appeals to the Glock and Walther markets.

Mehh, if I want a Glock I have three in the safe. It seems about like a Glock with a heavy trigger and a limited ammo supply. Not a real big win there. I really think that the product from Walther is a better design not that that is statistically significant to anyone else...

 

[parabellum]

I've carried a G19 for 14 years. The PPS does have some Glock-like characteristics, and this has been a factor for my decision to buy a PPS.
The PPS appears to have one thing going for it over, say, a G26, and that's width. Photo comparisons and technical specs of both pistols indicate the PPS is substantially slimmer than any Glock.

Although I have a deep and abiding love for Walther handguns, I never got around to buying a P99, for the simple reason that the manual of arms was off-putting to me. Now I see a polymer-framed Walther with a more straightforward Glock-like trigger.

Once I get mine, I've got to find an ankle holster to fit it. My G26 is just a bit too thick for such a carry mode, at least for my taste. The PPS may be end up being a superb pistol for ankle carry, certainly better than a 5-shot .38 snub.

 

[PPGMD]

The PPS is in a different market then the Glock 19 or 26. The PPS is aimed at the market that Kahr and Keltec are in, slim carry pistols.

So the question shouldn't be how it compares to Glocks instead, how does it compare to the Kahr PM9 or the Keltec PF-9? At this point I couldn't tell you because I don't own a PPS, and won't until the regular guns are out.

 

[jman]

PPS Wishes & PPS-22 AS Dreams

I have to confess that I haven't been keeping up with the Walther lineup lately because of pressing personal issues, but I just now looked at the PPS. My first take is that I'm very disappointed.

Yeah, I know. Blasphemy!

When the P99 was announced, almost invariably it was compared to a Glock, but it's characteristics differentiated it from the Plastic Brick. The ergonomics, trigger configuration, and other attributes set it apart and redefined what a polymer handgun could be.

With the PPS, it appears to me that Walther has thrown all its willingness to innovate and distance itself from Glock out the window. What they've made is a Galther. Or a Wok. Whatever. You know what I mean.

Ok, here's what I don't like:
Glock trigger
Glock slide release
Glock takedown latch
Glock frame...

Need I go on?

The P99 was a benchmark in a new direction for polymer guns and innovative ergonomics, but this is a significant step backward, I think.

What do you guys think?

I'm with RCK & all the above!

Here's what I wish.

I wish the P22 & PPS would trade places.

I have the P99 - Best features ever! ... too big for deep cover CC
I also have the XD-sub - Great Grip Size & Angle ... too thick, no de-cock
My P22 - Great features (safety sucks)
It's Size would be Perfect as a single stack 9mm


What I wish the PPS had;
De-cocker
AS Trigger
P99 slide release
P22 takedown latch
PPS frame & Look ... could still be a tad shorter (XD-sub length)

However - I still would love to see a PPS-22 AS.
Now that would be a fun gun!

IMHO

 

[uncut]

PPS frame & Look ... could still be a tad shorter (XD-sub length)

IMHO

If the PPS would be any smaller, you would only be able to look at pictures of it.
The PPS was designed for the american market... hence it was built on the .40S&W and size is just big enough to make BATF rules for importation.

 

[0849]

jman, Have you had a chance to handle and shoot the PPS ?

 

[Soybomb]

What I wish the PPS had;
De-cocker
AS Trigger
P99 slide release

I'm definately with you there. I also with the gun were smaller but as uncut said our importation rules kind of stick us. I wonder if walther could have went around those in some creative way with their ties to s&w though? Everything except the frame is made in germany and s&w makes the frame?

 

[PX15]

JMOFO:

I've been running "hot and cold" about the new Walther PPS....

I want one... I don't want one... Yes I do REALLY want one... Nah I don't think I want one.. You know, you've probably said the same thing at least once..

I was hoping the PPS would be significantly better for cc than my all time favorite P99c/AS, but I just don't see it.. My P99c/AS has been 100% reliable from the getgo and is Wayyyyy more accurate than I have ability to take advantage of. So far I've read way too many new PPS owners with some kind of problem.. That makes me nervous.

I think probably 99% of places I could cc the PPS I could probably cc my P99c/AS.

I think I might just spend my PPS money on another Seecamp.. I can carry one of those suckers anyplace.

Then again, I might change my mind again?

J. Pomeroy

 

[ShipWreck]

JMOFO:

I've been running "hot and cold" about the new Walther PPS....

I want one... I don't want one... Yes I do REALLY want one... Nah I don't think I want one.. You know, you've probably said the same thing at least once..

I was hoping the PPS would be significantly better for cc than my all time favorite P99c/AS, but I just don't see it.. My P99c/AS has been 100% reliable from the getgo and is Wayyyyy more accurate than I have ability to take advantage of. So far I've read way too many new PPS owners with some kind of problem.. That makes me nervous.

I think probably 99% of places I could cc the PPS I could probably cc my P99c/AS.

I think I might just spend my PPS money on another Seecamp.. I can carry one of those suckers anyplace.

Then again, I might change my mind again?

J. Pomeroy

I feel the same way - although, admittedly, I have only seen all the pics so far.

The day I grab one - unless it grabes ME, I don't see myself buying one. It's just SO close to the P99c in size...

 

[jman]

Uncut & Soybomb are correct about the BATF
And really, the length is fine.
However ... De-cocker & AS Trigger should be offered.
Maybe Walther will offer different Versions ... Hopefully.
They did it with the P99.
I'm sure they already thought of this for the PPS?
Should I hold my breath? Probably not.
Like PX15 I'm "hot and cold"

Hey who wants to see a Next Gen. problem free P-22?

 

[uncut]

It's just SO close to the P99c in size...

SOOOOOO wrong....
it is so much slimmer.....
maybe Doc Lunde can take some pics of the P99c next to the PPS....
the measurements that are listed on the site are a bot confusing....

 

[ikiddp5]

I still don't buy the "frame rails" in a small ccw handgun. they should make one version with no rails, imho it would be more confortable to carry.

 

[Ron]

It is slimmer, but am I the only one who pocket carries a P99c? I have a S&W 642, which I pocket carry, as well as my P99c. I carry in a Mika pocket holster very comfortably in both cargo shorts and pants, as well as in looser fitting leisure type pants. It would not work in tight fitting pants, such as jeans, but I can pocket carry fairly comfortably without printing in almost all of my shorts and pants.

I do vacuum the holster every other day to make sure that I don't have pocket lint to worry about.

Ron