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I hope German, Interarms import. 279922. Some staining on left side finish and roughness on grip. Complete except only one magazine. Test target is German, no date.

How can I determine DOB and confirm/deny German manufacture?

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Interarms import alright. They were allowed the importation for "certain" law enforcement agencies and later produced the pistol in Gadsden. I think you may have an example of one of those. The serial number style indicates it's an import.

Welcome to the world of expensive 22lr TPH magazines...though the price has moderated a little. I hope you have a good one and enjoy it as much as most of us other TPH owners do.

Shot it yet?
 

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The gun is enroute from FL to me here in PA. It will go to the range as soon as I get it in my sweaty hands! I shoot .22LR target guns (one is a SP22) and some plinking rifles so I have a lot of .22 in house to test, including mini-mags. I have read and seen on u-tube that the TPH can be finicky with ammo, so I shall find out. Earl has mags for $99, but I do not need mags that were hand-carved by German craftsmen from solid blocks of steel from melted-down Crusader swords so I will first try to find a used one. Anybody out there got one?

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You DO NOT need those "hand forged" mags. ANY TPH 22lr mag will be fine. You can find them on GB and even e-bay on occasion for as little as $55-$65. Don't pay $99 for one until you talk to me. I may have one I'll part with.

Mine runs with anything from standard velocity up through the Mini and Stingers. One thing to remember when you get it...it holds six and the ejector is pinned to the frame and will not lock the slide open after the last round. Count your rounds and stop at 6 or you will dry-fire. I even forget to count now and then and will DF on occasion.

It's like this....if you get a good one, you will have a good one. If you get a problem child.....well...you can figure out the rest. They are a barrel-of-fun and mine stays in my front pocket everywhere I go except the shower and I have enough spare parts to almost build two....that's how much I like it.:D
 

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It's not uncommon for TPH owners to harvest one magazine for individual sale before they sell the pistol itself. Do have a look around; Earl has fine stuff, but he is mighty damn proud of it too.

As regards TPH reliability, I went thru' three hoping for a reliable one back in the day...didn't happen with the Interarms guns my dealer could find for me. I've had two since, one rough specimen that I got running, and a pristine one I still have that has never missed a beat.
Go figure.
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Picked up the TPH today. Range trip Monday. Stamped on the barrel mounting frame is a "76" followed by the elkhorn stamp followed by the Eagle with an N(?) beneath it. Is this then a 1976 proof date and therefore 279922 is a 1976 manufacture date?

The gun is real purdy. I"m wondering about how hot a .22 the gun will accept without possible damage. I have CCI mini-mag and Remington and Federal bulk, all rated around 1250 fps, standard CCI at 1000, and Velociter at 1400. Is Velociter too hot for this gun? Any opinions?

Finally, I am bidding on a magazine on GB. I hope nobody here starts a bidding war with me <g>.
 

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Sounds like you do in fact have an Interarms WG Import. Proofed in Ulm, but not made in Germany.

I'd start with the standard velocity stuff and work my way up. I like to shoot the bulk-stuff and occasionally shoot the hotter loads. Mine digest anything, but some have reported spotty results with anything other than the CCI and hotter ammo. I happen to think in a fun-gun....shoot the least powerful and most economical round that cycles the gun. It will be easier on the movin' parts.
 

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Germany could not manufacture any guns in this time frame, but they could tweak and proof guns from outsourced parts manufactured by others. I know the PP, PPK and PPK/S was manufactured in France (Manurhin). I cannot swear that the TPH was also. I think your gun (being a 76) was imported prior to the time that Interarms started production of the TPH in-country and it likely was issued to some law enforcement agency.

The term German Walther is used rather loosely. Guns proofed in Ulm during this time frame were manufactured elsewhere.

There is a fellow forum member named Alfonzo that is a very good source of information on these little pistols. Maybe he will show-up here soon.
 

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Stamped on the barrel mounting frame is a "76" followed by the elkhorn stamp followed by the Eagle with an N(?) beneath it. Is this then a 1976 proof date and therefore 279922 is a 1976 manufacture date?
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Yes, you can assume 1976 as the manufacture date but usually the Ulm proof marks would feature an antler of a deer... :D The eagle over N stands for the standard smokeless powder proof in Germany.

It's true that after WWII Germany wasn't allowed to produce guns like the PP or the P38 series. But in the Sixties it became possible again and Walther introduced in 1961 the TP as their first post-war design. In 1968 they presented the upgraded TPH and this model was built too exclusively at Walther until 1986 when Interarms/Ranger began the TPH production in the USA. In Germany the TPH was built until 1999.
 

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Yes, you can assume 1976 as the manufacture date but usually the Ulm proof marks would feature an antler of a deer... :D The eagle over N stands for the standard smokeless powder proof in Germany.
Elk horn / antler, tomato /tomahto ... I guess I was trying to be too formal when I wrote it <grin>. But you're correct, the antler is there.

Thanks Balogh, and all, for giving me this great background on my new toy. She goes to the range today with four different brands of ammo, we will see what she prefers. And I picked up a modern nickel magazine on GB, $67, not too ad; not period-correct to the gun, but still a welcome addition.

I'm finalizing a deal on a 7.65 PP so I'll be back to pick the brains of the WF experts yet agin.

Ich bin Ihnen sehr dankbar!
 

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Elk horn / antler, tomato /tomahto ... I guess I was trying to be too formal when I wrote it <grin>. But you're correct, the antler is there.
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I was just mocking around... I knew that you are aware of it. I even thought of writing "chicken over N" instead of "eagle over N" but didn't wanted to upset our German friends. ;) So enjoy your new little gun and I hope you'll clinch the deal on the mentioned PP. :)

By the way, I ordered two blued TPH .22lr magazines last week. I found them in Germany and I'm expecting to have them this week. They are a remanufacture and the costs are about 40% of the original magazines. I'm curious what I'll get.
 

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Germany could not manufacture any guns in this time frame, but they could tweak and proof guns from outsourced parts manufactured by others. I know the PP, PPK and PPK/S was manufactured in France (Manurhin). I cannot swear that the TPH was also. I think your gun (being a 76) was imported prior to the time that Interarms started production of the TPH in-country and it likely was issued to some law enforcement agency.

The term German Walther is used rather loosely. Guns proofed in Ulm during this time frame were manufactured elsewhere.

There is a fellow forum member named Alfonzo that is a very good source of information on these little pistols. Maybe he will show-up here soon.
I believe all european built TPH pistols were all manufactured
by Walther in Ulm Germany. I do not believe Manhurin made
any TPH pistols.

All Interarms TPH pistols imported from Walther in Germany were
imported only for Military and Law Enforcement. Commercial sales
to U.S. citizens were forbidden due to the 1968 Gun Control Act
which forbid importation of small pistols like the TPH.

However, they could be manufactured in the U.S. with no restrictions
and as we know they were by U.S. manufacture,Ranger Manufacturing, for Walther.

After the introduction of the U.S. built TPH, Interams still had several
German TPH pistols in .22 LR in stock that could be only sold to Law
Enforcement Agencies, no longer could individual police officers purchase
these pistols. So, few sales were made.

Interarms requested from the ATF a one time exemption to allow these
German built TPH pistols in .22 LR to be sold on the civilian marked and
ATF did grant that request and perhaps several hundred were released
to distributors.

I carry my German TPH pistol in .22 lr nearly all the time for nearly
25 years and It shoots nearly everything I put in it.

I also have a stainless TPH made by Ranger Arms which is more
ammo sensitive and because it is heavier I seldom carry it.

Hope this info helps..
 

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Excellent, useful information, gentlemen. Thank you!

Well, I took the little girl to the range this morning. Fed her a variety of high (1250fps+/-) and standard (1040fps) velocity ammo, everything worked very well. I left the Velociters home, I think they may be too hot. Wow, what a light SA trigger she has!

I'm thinking about picking up a beater to carry around. This one is too pretty.

I'm hooked.
 

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I tell everybody that shoots my little TPH for the first time....don't point the gun and sneeze unless you're aiming at what you plan to hit....it will fire! Does indeed have a hair-trigger after that first DA trigger-pull.

Good to hear you have a shooter. I like to shoot the bulk-crap as well, but if I carry it as a bug or carry gun, I do load a mag full of CCI Segmented or Stingers.

Congratulations.

I also have guns that I think are too pretty to shoot. I just gathered-up enough spare parts to keep my TPH going for as long as I am...I hope.
 

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TPH .22

I just picked up a German made TPH. Going to the range later this week. The DA pull is very heavy, probably the heaviest I have ever felt in any handgun! I almost need to use two hands to break trigger. Normal? SA is Very Light!
 

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I just picked up a German made TPH. Going to the range later this week. The DA pull is very heavy, probably the heaviest I have ever felt in any handgun! I almost need to use two hands to break trigger. Normal? SA is Very Light!
I guess it depends on what you are used to. I found mine less than my PPK on DA. And less than my J-Frame was before I did a trigger job on it. I don't have a gauge so I can't give you the pull on my TPH.

They are fun to shoot though, what a hoot.
 

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No that is not normal. It certainly should not be heavier than any handgun you have ever fired.

A few people (including one company named Smith) have made attempts to lighten the TP on their Walthers, but for the most part....very few complain about it. If yours is that heavy....you have an issue.
 
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