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Just got back from the range a few minutes ago. Fired both the S&W PPK and the Walther P99. Let me give the complete story right from the lips of M :D
Was planning on testing both guns as soon as the ammo came in for the P99. Got it yesterday so range day today. Worked out good as our outdoor range is only open Fri-Sun. Anyway, this morning I cleaned and lubed both pistols. Tetra Gun grease on the frame rails and friction locations and Tetra Gun oil on moving parts. I truly believe that proper lubrication is the key to reliable operation.
Then off to the range. Got to the range about 11:30 this morning. LOTS of old geezers (older geezers than me) were out there. I was the only pistol shooter in my area. Everyone else had rifles. I paid my $2 range fee and set my stuff up. First to shoot was the PPK. I must confess I was a bit concerned after hearing reports of S&W having reliability problems with their PPK. Fortunately, at least in my case, those rumors proved totally unfounded. I had both the finger rest mag and the plain mag with me. The finger rest mag went in first. I loaded up 7 Winchester White box FMJ rounds (yuck) and took a Weaver stance. I had the Shoot-N-See paste on bullseye, so I could see the hits pretty well. Target was at 25 feet. I popped off 7 rounds. Then slapped in the regular mag and popped off 7 more. All hit the target. Recoil was almost nil. I repeated this drill over and over until all 50 rounds of ammo were exhausted. No malfunctions of ANY kind were experienced and the infamous Walther "bite" never occured. I had a nice big shit-eatin' grin on my face. Only negative to report was the filthy Winchester ammo. This was no surprise to me and duplicates every other time I shot this stuff. Fortunately Winchester Premium ammo doesn't funk up anywhere near as bad as the white box crap.

Next up was the new James Bond gun...a Walther P99AS. A couple of guys whom I trust for input on this forum mentioned the need to "get used" to the rather strange trigger, and they were correct. The P99 does have a different trigger than any other gun including Glock. I had no problem hitting the target with the P99. But to get really proficient I think at least one more range day with it is required. Anyway, the P99 also functioned without ANY problems. I was able to stay in the (approximately) 9 inch bullseye at 25 feet and after 50 rounds of Federal 124 grain FMJ, I had a nice big ragged hole in the center of the target. Fouling was less with the Federal ammo than with the Winchester, but was still way more than S&B ammo that I normally shoot.
So I had another SEG on my face when I finished off the box of 50 for the P99.

Butt...and you all KNEW there would be a BUTT:D ...I have one relatively minor complaint about the P99. The 15 round magazine. The magazine spring must have come off the front of a Chevy pickup truck:eek: . I have NEVER had so much problems loading a magazine before. I've had Glock, SIG, CZ75, Beretta, H&K, and S&W 9MM hi-cap mags and NONE of them had a spring so stiff that I couldn't load the mag to full capacity. But the P99 was topped out at 12 rounds. My thumbs are STILL sore from trying to load those pricks. So I guess I am going to have to invest in one of those goofy magazine loading tools to help load these mags. I'm amazed the P99 can even feed a full 15 round mag with a spring that stiff. I ended up just loading 10 rounds in a mag and then working it that way.

Okay...that's the end of my report. I hope to get hold of some S&B ammo so that I can shoot again without having to have my gun (and hands) turn black. And if anyone can recommend a magazine loader for the P99, I'd sure appreciate it.

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Dep,

I was sure your James Bond day would be a winner!!

I must admit to a wry smile when you couldn't load those hi-cap mags to the top and ended up loading only ten - that's all I can get into my Kalifornia legal magazines. As least you can legally keep pushing on the follower in the "land of enchantment". ;)

Good news about the PPK. I didn't think you would have any "bite" issues with the new beavertail and the .32. My 7.65 has never bitten me, just it's bigger brothers.

I think the P99 trigger, and the overall feel of the pistol are what I like best about it. The P99 was really different for me and a challenge just to get used to - and that's more than half the fun! I can almost shoot mine as well as my High Power - still working on it too. :D

Must say though I have not spent much time with the "double action" or long pull of the P99. That, I think will really take some time since with such a light pistol the heavy pull causes me to move the grip around in my hand.

Sounds like Martini time!! :cool:
 

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153: That mag loader uncut steered me to should do the trick. Never had a mag I couldn't load to the top before. Other than the mag weirdness, I was VERY happy with the performance and feel of the P99. It popped off rounds without a stutter. Sure felt a lot better than any Glock I've fired. Still gotta clean both guns. So I will be high as a kite on good ol' Hoppe's #9 pretty soon. I also fired all rounds from the P99 with the trigger in the "cocked" position. I'm not too worried about the full double action pull. At the ranges I would have to use it at, I suspect the loss in acuracy wouldn't be that critical.
Now I just need my Fobus belt holster for the P99 and ankle holster for the PPK. :)

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Dep,

Other than swab out the barrel, I didn't do a major clean on the P99 until I had about 300 rounds through it. In all that time not one stutter. I did have the slide close on empty once, But I am pretty sure that was me, either not holding on tight enough or hitting the slide release.

I have a compressor, and the air works really good blowing out the frame, since with all those ball point pen springs and paper clip parts, I am not too eager to get in there with a brush. The slide comes apart easy and is a dream to clean up.

I worry about those Fobus holsters wearing the finish on the P99, seems that plastic is a lot less forgiving than leather. Other than an IWB in suede - haven't purchased anything for the P99 yet.
 

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I too went to the range today to shoot my P99. I shot a little over a 100 rounds and am now able to keep my shots within the target. I shot 2 30 round magazines and 5 or 6 15 round magazines. That Uplula sure decreases time at the range.:mad: BUTT, it increases shots fired.:D

What I am most happy with is the improvement in my shooting since starting this new hobby 4 months ago. With any luck I'll spend an hour there Monday. I've put at least 2000 rounds through the gun and have not had a blip. I've cleaned it twice and the first cleaning was after putting about 1200 through it. Gosh darn, I love this gun. Can't wait to get the PPS.
 

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Pit: That many mags today and my thumbs would have been worn to the bone :D
I almost left the range without shooting a full box today I was so sore. Can't wait to get that mag loader!!!!

I also need to order some S&B FMJ plinking ammo for the P99 and PPK. My fingers were so black today I looked like I was working on a printing press!! :p
I always carry a container of those wet wipe towels in the back of the truck and they sure come in handy getting the gunpowder off.

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This is interesting reading.

I agree-----the UpLULA mag loader is outstanding: makes life easy (I now have 10 useable fingers) and works well on most single/double stack mags.

I also agree with 153-----the P99AS is a challenge for me as well. I keep working with it and hoping I will gain more ability. I now have a laser to help me in correcting my mistakes.

I did well today using the SIG P239 w/Crimson Trace grips after 100 rounds of success with the HK P2000. I did start to shake a bit and watching the laser at the end was amusing.

Next range visit I'll try the P99. I'll even try to concentrate on concentrating.
 

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Nice report, Dep: Thanks for all that.

I've never noticed that the Winchester FMJ ammo is dirty than, say, other stock stuff for range work. Is there a brand you would recommend that falls in something close to the same price range? WallyWorld sells the white-boxed Winchester stuff for relatively cheap (considering that all ammo is pricy at the moment). But if it's gunking up the equipment, it might be time to make the swtich. Thanks in advance.
 

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Deputy, glad to hear your S&W Walther shot well! The lastest one I checked out at the gun shop looked much better than their earlier versions. Sounds like they're getting better at making them function close to 100% the way they should! Great report!
 

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Pit: That many mags today and my thumbs would have been worn to the bone :D
I almost left the range without shooting a full box today I was so sore. Can't wait to get that mag loader!!!!
I usually reload magazines the night I get home from the range. The Uplula is fast. I'm probably going to buy a couple extra for the SHTF scenario.:eek: I also shot 40 rounds through my Glock 30.
 

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Dave: Last time I was at the range was the daty after my wedding last year. And that was back in June. So I had the shakes too. ;)

451: Maybe the white box Winchester varies depending on what caliber you shoot? I had bad luck with funk in .32 auto and .45ACP. I got the .32 auto from Wallyworld. My local sporting goods store didn't have any .32 auto at all. It was cheap, but dang filthy. Best luck I have had with ammo burning clean is the Czech Sellier & Bellot stuff. That stuff burned so clean all I really had to do was wipe off the gun with a silicone rag. Unfortunately, it has climbed in price since the last time I used it. I have some Fiocchi ammo I bought for my Thompson guns in .45ACP. I'll have to go to the range and test it out to see how clean it burns. It was pretty reasonable when I bought it last year.

mm6: I admit I was very happy the PPK performed so well. Maybe S&W has ironed out whatever teething problems they had with putting it into production? There is a new PPK/S at my sporting goods store and I may get it for the wife. She currently has a Springfield Armory 1911A1 .45ACP with a 4 inch barrel, and it's way to big for her hands as well as for any kind of concealed carry.

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I usually reload magazines the night I get home from the range. The Uplula is fast. I'm probably going to buy a couple extra for the SHTF scenario.:eek: I also shot 40 rounds through my Glock 30.
I may load them up the day before I go. But that Uplula is so quick it gets them loaded in less than a minute. Heck, it took me forever to get just 10 rounds in the P99 mag!!!:(



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451: Maybe the white box Winchester varies depending on what caliber you shoot? I had bad luck with funk in .32 auto and .45ACP. I got the .32 auto from Wallyworld. My local sporting goods store didn't have any .32 auto at all. It was cheap, but dang filthy. Best luck I have had with ammo burning clean is the Czech Sellier & Bellot stuff. That stuff burned so clean all I really had to do was wipe off the gun with a silicone rag. Unfortunately, it has climbed in price since the last time I used it. I have some Fiocchi ammo I bought for my Thompson guns in .45ACP. I'll have to go to the range and test it out to see how clean it burns. It was pretty reasonable when I bought it last year.


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Dep: Thanks for that. I've got a couple of 9mm handguns, including a P99, that I've been running some ammo through of late. The Winchester FMJ in the white box seemed to burn as cleanly as anything, but I'm sure not opposed to trying something else and will now see if I can locate some of the S&B, based on your experience and recommendation. I appreciate your expertise, my friend. Keep the good tips coming.

Salute.
 

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451: Glad to help. If you try the S&B please post what you think of it. Never know with the imported stuff. Sometimes they change the formulation and it turns funky. BTW...the Federal stuff wasn't too bad as far as fouling and the accuracy was quite good.


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Roger that on both counts. Federal I can get; one of the local gunshops carries it. I'll have to scout around for some S&B and will post the results if I have any luck finding it. Salute
 

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No one in my area currently stocks the S&B ammo, but I had some 124 grain stuff that worked great cycling an old P.08!! It burned very clean and seemed to have more "pep" than the domestic brands.

I'd buy more today if I could!
 

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153: S&B is mainly available via mail order. Cheapest prices I have found were J&G Sales in Arizona and Sportsmans Guide. SG runs out of it pretty quickly because it's VERY popular. I just checked and the 124 grain in 9MM will be out until 9/28. But it sells pretty cheap at $8.97 ($8.52 club price) for 50 rounds. J&G Sales has S&B ammo but it's 115 grain. It sells for $9.00 a box. J&G does have 124 grain 9MM but it's in steel case. I wouldn't use that stuff if I could avoid it. Steel cases tend to promote early chamber wear. Okay for an AK-47 or SKS...not so good in a nice pistol.
One other place to check is ammoman.com. They have Federal 124 grain for $119 for a crate of 500.
The one ammo I have yet to check out is the Fiocchi. It is VERY inexpensive at $187.97 for 1000 rounds of 123 grain FMJ at Sportsmans Guide. Just not sure how clean it burns.

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