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These stupid questions from posters like me give you guys that know a chance to really show your stuff.:)

The subject gun is a West German marked PPK/S 22lr with no Interarms roll-mark on the slide. Who imported it, how did it get here...and what does it mean one-way-or-another?

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If it doesn't have an importer's stamp on it, be it from Interarms or someone else, then it was most likely brought in by a returning serviceman who was stationed somewhere on the European continent and picked it up while he was stationed there. Sometimes they come in via diplomatic pouch, but then, those pistols don't usually show up for sale on the internet.
 

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Sometimes they come in via diplomatic pouch, but then, those pistols don't usually show up for sale on the internet.
:p Did that happen?

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Tell me if you see an import mark on this gun. Maybe my eyes are gone or maybe it's too light to see. I know it's a crappy picture but I have edited it, lightened it up and all I see on both sides of the slide where the Interarms stamp usually is....is a slick blue finish.
 

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I don't see any antler stamping. What've ya GOT there, auto?!?
 

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These stupid questions from posters like me give you guys that know a chance to really show your stuff.:)

The subject gun is a West German marked PPK/S 22lr with no Interarms roll-mark on the slide. Who imported it, how did it get here...and what does it mean one-way-or-another?

I like to buy stuff and ask questions later.
Lol... I need sleep......... Are you quoting a Talking Heads song? Same as it ever was....Same as it ever was....Same as it ever was....
 

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Seems to me that CAI also imported Walther PPs at some point, as did the Thalson Co. in San Francisco (beginning in 1953) ... and, of course, Earl's Repair Service (ERS) The Interarms stamp was quite elaborate; other importers used tiny script and often tried to hide the mark, so a thorough examination of this pistol might be in order, and not in the usual place. Just a thought ...
 

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Under th' grips may be a good bet...
 

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Auto, that is a beauty there. Look under the grips but somehow I think your pistol somehow ended up "over here" without being marked. My PPK was made here by Interarms (thus no stamp) but my PP has a nice clean Interarms stamp on the left side of the frame. You may have something quite rare my friend. Well, rare in the US anyway.

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Looks like a late PPK/S to me. I think the antler is on the frame under the ejection port. The grips look pretty late too ...

I'd say this pistol made it "in country" through means other than a traditional importer.
 

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You don't find these things lying under a bush, so the only recourse is sites like GB...that's where this one is coming from. I was bidding on three at the time and was really seeking a PPK-L. I could have taken the PPK-L for the same money, but it was well-used (from the looks of the possible cracked and scared-up grip and surface wear) and the PPK-L came with only the gun. This PPK/S caught my eye and it came with all the goodies and a spare mag as well, which we all know is another $100-more-or-less.

This gun bears a date stamp of ID, which makes it an 83 and it has target grips. The seller had two exactly alike and they were tit-for-tat price wise. I may regret letting the L go, but I am partial to S's and this was such a good looking gun. Some folks say the box can add 10%-15% to the value and like I said...the mag is worth another $100. You guys know how it is...you can rationalize things as you need to in your mind to justify buying a gun.:D.

When I get my hands on it, I will find out how it got here by giving it a close exam. I would be totally surprised to not find some sort of import mark...it's just not obvious. Maybe it won't have Sears & Roebuck or Wal-Mart stamped on the frame someplace!
 

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'83 would make it one of the very last ones made before the Manurhin/Walther divorce. The fact that it doesn't have an Interarms slide marking is uncommon but not rare; I have one just like it, but earlier, also without import logo but it did indeed come from Interarms; and a PPK .22, same thing.

On guns destined for export to Interarms, which for 40+ years was the exclusive USA distributor, the "CIA-Star" logo was applied by Walther at the factory, not by Interarms. This was done by pre-arrangement. But Walther was selling guns elsewhere also, and could easily have missed a gun or cross-filled orders. If a gun missed being marked in Ulm, the box probably would not have been opened in Alexandria, and the absence of a mark would not have been noticed.

Or it might be a PX gun brought home by a returning serviceman, or a spare slide fitted to a PPK/s converted from .380 (got one of those, too.)

Earl would not have been importing new PPK/s pistols in the '80s or '90s, and CAI only imported surplus police guns after 1998, when Umarex acquired Walther and the U.S. trademarks and could no longer keep "gray market" guns out.

Surplus guns were a different story. Except for some lots marked by Hammerli before export to Interarms, most were hand-stamped with a die after arrival here. A dot-matrix marking pretty much dates the import to mid-'90s or later.

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Yes....class is "in session". Thank you professor Mike.

At least we may know who did not import it based on Mike's information and the dates associated with who-did-what-when. The serial numbers on the slide and the frame match and I guess that's all the matters to me at this point. Maybe I'll have a good conversation-piece to share with what few Walther enthusiast I find at the local gun shows. Maybe somebody will offer me a new Buick for it, but I'm not holding my breath.:D

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I bought a .22 LR PPK/S at the Ansbach Rod & Gun Club shortly before returning to the US in Sept '83. Unfortunately, I sold it several years later while it was still new in the box. We could bring guns home as personal property so it didn't have any importer markings.
 

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I bought a .22 LR PPK/S at the Ansbach Rod & Gun Club shortly before returning to the US in Sept '83. Unfortunately, I sold it several years later while it was still new in the box. We could bring guns home as personal property so it didn't have any importer markings.
Ouch! Sad story so early in the day.

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Never sell the Walthers... Never sell the Walthers... Never sell the Walthers...
 

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I have done a lot of research and looking...I mean a LOT. These things come-and-go on GB and GA in the $750-$850 range all the time. They will appear.....be sold and then in a few days a few more will appear. Sure, there are sellers out there asking ridiculous prices for these guns, but if you really want one, it can be had with all the fender-skirts and mud-flaps for close to $800. I saw an aftermarket plated pimp-gun (complete with gold trigger and hammer) go the other day for $700 and it was a bare gun with one magazine. It doesn't seem to matter if it has been well-fired, imported, or even what the finish is. You can wait for the buddy next door that has one and gets in a tight and let you have it for a song-and-dance, or bump into the little ole lady that has had her husbands in the closet for 25-years and get lucky, but those things don't happen very often.

The fair market value seems to be around $800 at the moment.
 

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It seem like during the early 80's that many serivceman
purchased Walther pistols in Europe and returned
to the U.S. Most if not all of those pistols were
not stamped with any importer marks.

I have seen Walther PPK, TPH, and P38 pistols
made after 1968 that have no importer marks
but were imported into the U.S.

I think most were purchased overseas by returning serviceman and
perhaps a very few by diplomatic pouch.
 
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