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The gun either has merit or it doesn't. The Walther Banner has been so cheapened that it's meaningless.

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Couldn't agree more, M. I would say that is true if the PPX had a reputation, but since there is not much to go off at this juncture, you have to rely on the reputation of the company stamped on the slide.

In referencing cheap models, I am merely saying it is a feel this may be adding to that number ...Might as well pick up a P99 for a hundred more, right?

Glock was not exactly "competing" in the normal sense.

Glock did not play a huge part in the transition from revolver to semi auto, that was split between S&W, Beretta, and SIG/Sauer.

Glock cleaned up on the switch from 9mm to .40 S&W. they did so with low ball / free pricing and taking those Sigs, Berettas, and S&Ws in trade. Making up for their losses by selling the trade ins.
Thank you for the correction! I still believe it is a bit late to be joining the party
 

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Couldn't agree more, M. I would say that is true if the PPX had a reputation, but since there is not much to go off at this juncture, you have to rely on the reputation of the company stamped on the slide.

In referencing cheap models, I am merely saying it is a feel this may be adding to that number ...Might as well pick up a P99 for a hundred more, right?
I think what we also have to go on at the moment, are the features of the pistol as well, since not many of us have handled one or shot one yet. I would wait until having done one, or preferably both of these actions, before I would make a decision on whether or not I liked or disliked the pistol.

Thank you for the correction! I still believe it is a bit late to be joining the party
I disagree. I applaud new releases to the market. It gives more people more choices. I hope Caracal does well, and I hope H&K will someday release their rumored striker fired polymer pistol.

This pistol market here is already crowded. To say that no pistol should be released in a crowded market, would be the same as saying no more new pistol designs should be released.

The PPX is not a Glock copy.
 

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I have a P5. Why on earth would I even consider looking at this thing? I have a far better design without any miracle plastic or Umarex baggage. Sad to think I have the epitome of Walther craftsmanship in my collection and it's 30 year the PPX's elder.

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Hey, why are the majority of posts being made by haters? If you don't like/want/approve of Walther's new entry then move on. Go post in a Forum where you like the product and quit trolling/crapping in this Forum. Ridiculous the amount of nitpicking whiners. :rolleyes:
 

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Haters? Can't speak for everyone obviously, but think most of us are on this forum for a reason, and it isn't related to hate

I was very interested in the PPX, and excited for the additional moves Walther would make, being let down is quite different than hating.

What is the point in exclusively reading, learning, or critiquing things I "like"? I would be a pretty one dimensional human being, but I guess that's alright if one wants to be simple.
 

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I have a P5. Why on earth would I even consider looking at this thing? I have a far better design without any miracle plastic or Umarex baggage. Sad to think I have the epitome of Walther craftsmanship in my collection and it's 30 year the PPX's elder.
Twice the capacity, lighter DA trigger pull, consistent trigger pull, and cheaper mags to name a few. I would ask how the P5 is better than the modern polymer Walther pistols, like the P99, PPQ, or this new PPX from what we know about it so far?

I had a P5 too. Polymer pistols don't have the same feel of quality as the pistols made 30 years ago, IMO. No manufacturer is making pistols today, that are higher quality than the pistols they made 30 years ago, IMO.
 

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I had a P5 too. Polymer pistols don't have the same feel of quality as the pistols made 30 years ago, IMO. No manufacturer is making pistols today, that are higher quality than the pistols they made 30 years ago, IMO.
Agreed on both points, balance, which is probably why PilotSteve maintains, and I heartily agree, that the P5 is superior to the polymer pistols being produced today. I love the P99 and the 99C; they are terrific firearms, made with care, exuding craftsmanship. But they aren't a P5 in the hand. That one remains Walther's best effort, in my view. (If it had a 15 round capacity, it would be perfect.)

As to the PPX, I won't know until I see it, hold it, examine it, shoot it, clean it, pull it apart a bit to see what they did.
 

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Twice the capacity, lighter DA trigger pull, consistent trigger pull, and cheaper mags to name a few. I would ask how the P5 is better than the modern polymer Walther pistols, like the P99, PPQ, or this new PPX from what we know about it so far?
Not to drift off topic, but if I can't hit what I'm aiming at with any of the nine rounds my P5 is capable of holding I'm not going to hit it with anything short of a garden hose. To find fault in the P5's trigger is a weak argument. Still, I'm compelled to agree with both Balance and Searcher in one regard - until I actually try one (VERY unlikely to happen in Nazichusetts with it's "approved firearm roster" and magazine limits), I cannot bemoan this new polymer offering with credibility.

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Not to drift off topic, but if I can't hit what I'm aiming at with any of the nine rounds my P5 is capable of holding I'm not going to hit it with anything short of a garden hose. To find fault in the P5's trigger is a weak argument.
I liked the trigger on my P5. It was a good trigger IMO. But DA/SA pistols are losing popularity, and constant action pistols are gaining in popularity. I'm not saying the trigger on the PPX is better than the P5, I'm saying more people these days seem to prefer trigger actions where they have the same pull from the first to the last shot.

Look at the P99 and PPQ as examples. The P99, a DA/SA pistol, was out for 15 years, and while a lot of people appreciated its features, it never really became as popular as the PPQ has become within 2 years of its release. All the PPQ really is, IMO, is a P99 with the DA trigger pull taken out of the design. More people these days are preferring consistent triggers.
 

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I liked the trigger on my P5. It was a good trigger IMO. But DA/SA pistols are losing popularity, and constant action pistols are gaining in popularity. I'm not saying the trigger on the PPX is better than the P5, I'm saying more people these days seem to prefer trigger actions where they have the same pull from the first to the last shot.

Look at the P99 and PPQ as examples. The P99, a DA/SA pistol, was out for 15 years, and while a lot of people appreciated its features, it never really became as popular as the PPQ has become within 2 years of its release. All the PPQ really is, IMO, is a P99 with the DA trigger pull taken out of the design. More people these days are preferring consistent triggers.
right..

Also I have an ongoing theory that a goodly number of newly interested owners of P99's are in fact also newer owners of the PPQ as for a number of folks (myself included) living in a Glock world, the Walther offerings were not necessarily on their radar.
 

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The P5's trigger is still good, in my view. Excellent, in fact. There's just no accounting for taste. :)
I agree.

Just to clarify, the only reason I put a "was" in there, was because I was speaking of my own experience with the P5 and its trigger. I don't own a P5 anymore.

I loved the design of the decocker/slide release. I only wish it was ambidextrous.
 

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Has anyone else noticed the extremely high bore axis on the PPX?
I did.. doesnt bother me at all tho. High bore axis doesnt mean bad pistol, H&K, beretta, Sig Sauer, Springfield, etc..if a high bore axis was such a horror of a feature these would all be dead brands.

Low bore axis are nice if you can get it tho admittedly, just not a deal breaker for most else steyr and caracal would be the most popular brands.

The few vids I've seen of the PPX being shot (shot show vids), all I hear regarding commentary is positive, but of course we'll see how it is in action once more folks shoot and review it.
 

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I have so called "high bore axis" pistols and "low bore axis" pistols.

I don't understand all the fuss over it.

It may make a small difference to a novice handgun shooter, but it has never been an issue for me, even back when I was a complete "n00b" with handguns.

Oh, you never hear revolver shooters complain about it. I have those too...
 

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In referencing cheap models, I am merely saying it is a feel this may be adding to that number ...Might as well pick up a P99 for a hundred more, right?
That's easy to say if you have an ample supply of cash for luxuries. A few hundred here, a thousand there, no big deal.

Those of us who don't, probably a larger group than those who do, are happy to see a company with good reputation introduce a product that is priced within our realm of possibilities. One man's "cheap junk" is very possibly another guy's "best option".

If a good entry level model helps keep the manufacturer in the black, that's a good thing for the whole line. Its not like every other model has been "insulted". They are pistols.....they are inanimate - they don't care. ;)

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Same polymer & same steel as their other 9mm/.40 S&W guns. They have merely cut prices to be more competetive and probably more due to streamlining the manufacturing process.

It's a combat handgun, not a safe queen.
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It's not the "same polymer and same steel"...it's built like a toy. "Combat handgun"......

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It hurts to laugh at my age but I couldn't help myself. I have a PPX right here. It's a usable nightstand gun and a Viridian C5L fits nicely on the accessory rail. But it really is an "economy" model...made using castings and plastic in place of machined steel. It's a Umarex replica of a Walther for home defense sales. You need to see the plastic in the slide to understand what I mean.. :rolleyes:
 

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Thanks for that insight, Milspec. Hate to say it, but it doesn't sound encouraging. We're talking about a downgrade from the P99 but an upgrade from P22. In a word, Yikes! :confused:
 

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Thanks for that insight, Milspec. Hate to say it, but it doesn't sound encouraging. We're talking about a downgrade from the P99 but an upgrade from P22. In a word, Yikes! :confused:
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That's a pretty good description. It's actually an interesting gun though. The breech face is wide and flat with an insert and the extractor reducing the size to 9mm. Change these two parts plus the barrel and magazine and you have a .40. In fact the PPX mag is the same width as my HK USPc .45. If the hole in the slide were a bit larger my USP barrel would fit right in place. The PPX is weirdly massive for a 9mm but scaled nicely for a .45acp. I'd expect to see it offered in all three calibers shortly.
 
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