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The more I see of the PPX, the more interested in it I am becoming.

Under $500 list for a brand new Walther, made in Ulm, no zinc components, a 5 ish pound smooth DA trigger.

What's not to like?
 

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The thing that will likely stop me from buying one, is that I'm planning on picking up a 5" PPQ M2 when it is released. The M2 will take different mags than my P99 and PPQ. If I wanted to add the PPX to the line-up, I would have to buy one more proprietary mag design for it.

Other than that, I don't see much to dislike about the PPX at the moment. At first I didn't know why it was being made, but now that I know why they made it, and that it is coming from Ulm, I'm interested in at least handling it, and I'm curious how the good the trigger is.

The only complaints I'm hearing at the moment is that the pistol has a strange looking grip, which doesn't seem to be true to me, being that from the pictures I've seen of it, the grip looks similar to the grip on the P99 and PPQ pistols. Some people are also complaining about the looks of the PPX, and this wouldn't bother me either, being that I care more about function, and when I bought the PPQ, I thought it was an ugly pistol at the time.

Given that the pistol functions well, has a good trigger, and is as reliable, durable, and accurate as the other polymer pistols coming from the Walther plant in Ulm, I see it selling as well, or possibly better than the PPQ....M2.
 

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If it were being built to be a premium gun, I would be interested. I've been shooting hammer guns lately and really liking the trigger (even better than my P99AS). But as something designed to be low-cost, I'll pass.
 

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The thing that will likely stop me from buying one, is that I'm planning on picking up a 5" PPQ M2 when it is released. The M2 will take different mags than my P99 and PPQ. If I wanted to add the PPX to the line-up, I would have to buy one more proprietary mag design for it.
Wait, the two PPQ's don't even share the same mags? What were they thinking!
 
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Blitz... I was beginning to feel that way as well.

Then...

I thought, "if this didn't say Walther on it, I wouldn't even consider"

It does concern me it is being touted as '"Walther's entry level pistol". I don't care for the aesthetics, nor the magazine difference (PPX and M2), but, why take a step down just to have another Walther pistol? I'm not a collector, it's all about function, and I have no reason for a PPX.

I am actually leaning towards a .40 PPQ instead of succumbing to Walther's (imo) lack of foresight, by buying an M2 supporting the decisions that led to it..
 

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If it were being built to be a premium gun, I would be interested. I've been shooting hammer guns lately and really liking the trigger (even better than my P99AS). But as something designed to be low-cost, I'll pass.

Same polymer & same steel as their other 9mm/.40 S&W guns. They have merely cut prices to be more competetive and probably more due to streamlining the manufacturing process.

It's a combat handgun, not a safe queen.
 

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BP, just hoping to clarify-- are you saying they're taking a "bigger hit" by dropping the price of the PPX, when it would otherwise be appropriately priced higher?

If that is the case, I just don't see it, they had to cut something.. they're not a 501c
 

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Boogs,

Let's look at the Glock marketing model for a moment.

Glock gained their seemingly impenetrable foothold on the US LE market by pricing their pistols at near give away levels, and in some cases, literally giving them away. Has that hurt them at all? No. It has made Glock the preeminent manufacturer of polymer framed handguns on the planet. The British military have just dumped their aging High Powers for Glocks too.

There is no reason why this won't work for Walther as well. Currently there is only one major Police Force in North America using Walther pistols. One.

If Walther can get several metro police organizations to adopt the PPX, then this will create "buzz" that will be reflected in sales on the civilian side.

I think it's all a rather brilliant marketing plan.
 

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What types of pistols was Glock competing with when they made their splash? Revolvers?

What is Walther competing with?

I'm not saying it is impossible, I'm just saying.. If Walther is trying to oust Glock, with a pistol that is essentially the same, only significant differences being "better" ergonomics and a striker that is 100% pre-cocked, it isn't going to happen.

Turning your back on a following that has helped make the PPQ a success, by not offering that model, isn't wise either

If they are truly trying to emulate Glock's approach into the US market, I can assure you they are a few decades too late. Which is why I think it is not a good idea to take such an approach
 

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Not sure why I keep referring to the PPQ, suppose it's only natural because that is the only model I can see having a chance

Since this thread is about the PPX, the PPX by itself will not compete with Glock in the LE market, no way.

The PPQ has more of a chance with LE (IMO), but is still not suitable due to trigger and similarity in design (IMO), and the fact remains that Walther is a bit behind that curve to really make an impact.
 

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I feel that the bulky blocky design is probably a clue to the corners cut. It probably costs alot to pay a German worker for the time to make a sleek and sexy ppq. So the "economy" version is made very blockily to save labor. That's my theory anyway. I don't personally think this new pistol is going to be a lemon functionally.
 

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What types of pistols was Glock competing with when they made their splash? Revolvers?

What is Walther competing with?

I'm not saying it is impossible, I'm just saying.. If Walther is trying to oust Glock, with a pistol that is essentially the same, only significant differences being "better" ergonomics and a striker that is 100% pre-cocked, it isn't going to happen.

Turning your back on a following that has helped make the PPQ a success, by not offering that model, isn't wise either

If they are truly trying to emulate Glock's approach into the US market, I can assure you they are a few decades too late. Which is why I think it is not a good idea to take such an approach
I think the PPX is the only pistol in the Walther line-up that has a chance to compete for police contracts here. Very few SAO pistols seem to have won agency contracts here, so I don't see the PPQ being any different.

The PPX has a few features that Glock pistols don't. You can block the hammer with your thumb and holster the pistol with much less of a chance of something pulling the trigger and firing the pistol, and the grip is almost guaranteed to be considered more ergonomic in the hands of more people. If a department has to choose between a Glock and a PPX, these extra features will no doubt help Walther.
 

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Suppose all thats true, why market it as entry level?

"Chicago Police Department signs contract with Walther for 15,000 entry level pistols"

Some of these moves just feeeeel cheap
 

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...I don't care for the aesthetics, nor the magazine difference (PPX and M2), but, why take a step down just to have another Walther pistol? I'm not a collector, it's all about function, and I have no reason for a PPX...
...If that is the case, I just don't see it, they had to cut something.. they're not a 501c
...Since this thread is about the PPX, the PPX by itself will not compete with Glock in the LE market, no way.

the fact remains that Walther is a bit behind that curve to really make an impact.
...Some of these moves just feeeeel cheap

Two things are patently clear:

1. you don't like the PPX


2. you really don't like the PPX


No need to tell us again, and again, and again......................:rolleyes:
 

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Well, wouldn't say that.. call it an ignorant statement, but based on what I'm hearing, reading, and seeing, I wouldn't trust my life to it when I have the Q and another other number of fine, non "entry level" polys.

Since the discussion was that it may have a presence in LE, I have to disagree. There is nothing wrong with someone wanting a Walther pistol for a more affordable price than their higher end models, and surely most of those people won't be departments.

It isn't the PPX I have an issue with, more the philosophy Walther seems to have adopted in transitioning here, new models, marketing strategy, change in components, but you've heard these before, and before before :D seems not many agree with my viewpoint and thats fine, merely a discussion.

As a longtime Walther fan, I truly hope Walther is not accepting an American approach to business, and stamping their reputable name on some new pieces of junk simply to shock-appeal to some Bond fanatics-- because thats what it looks like from here. The PPX, PPQ changes, and PPK/S .22 are simply variables contributing to this notion.
 

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I don't get it. A double action gun with no ability to put into SA, different magazines but no increase in capacity to justify a change, moving to a push button mag release and giving up one of the great Walther innovations.

What is there to like beyond a bit lower price? Why not just by a used P99 and have all the good stuff?
 

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What types of pistols was Glock competing with when they made their splash? Revolvers?
Glock was not exactly "competing" in the normal sense.

Glock did not play a huge part in the transition from revolver to semi auto, that was split between S&W, Beretta, and SIG/Sauer.

Glock cleaned up on the switch from 9mm to .40 S&W. they did so with low ball / free pricing and taking those Sigs, Berettas, and S&Ws in trade. Making up for their losses by selling the trade ins.
 
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