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Herman Fegelein attributed PP up for auction.

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Rock Island Auction has an engraved PP attributed to Herman Fegelein in their May 19-21 Premier Auction. I'm very sceptical of this one. What do you guys think about it?

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I am no expert, but I would also be pretty skeptical here as well. A local FFL always told me "buy the gun, not the story"
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Me, I think "HF" stands for "Hitler's Father", and was given to him on the occasion of Adolf's birth in 1889.

Or maybe HF "Herr Fuehrer", and it was Hitler's pistol!
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The gun is known as such, also a second silvered example in the serial number range, same optic except monogram ( IH on 2nd gun). The story is unknown and I'm not able to verify.
As written before: 'Buy the gun, not the story'.
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IH obviously stands for Ich, Hitler and that’s all the proof I’ll need to be convinced it’s Hitlers gun.
The gun is known as such, also a second silvered example in the serial number range, same optic except monogram ( IH on 2nd gun). The story is unknown and I'm not able to verify.
As written before: 'Buy the gun, not the story'.
Martin, I have a feeling that the other pistol recorded in the same serial range with the marking "IH" is most probably a mis-reported serial number/marking by our mutual acquaintance. The near identical numbers and initials have had me wondering. If so, there are no other engraved guns in that range.

I wrote about this gun on a thread on another forum where that same gun, Walther PP #806660, was the subject of a thread started fourteen years ago. At that time, it was suggested that it was a presentation to Gauleiter Friedrich Hildebrandt. Now the pistol has now been deemed the property of SS General Hermann Fegelein, according to the Rock Island Auction.

As usual, RIA has determined that this engraved Walther has been "attributed" to the noted SS General Fegelein and thus deserves the estimated value of $95,000 to $160,000. What provenance or substantiation is offered to command this valuation? Well, according to RIA this gun is similar to other engraved Walther PPs and PPKs that were "tied to noted high ranking SS individuals" by James Rankin in one of his picture volumes. That is some serious documentation to rely on in placing your bid.

In the original posting on the other forum, the uncle was not identified. Now we learn that the uncle who brought the pistol back was a US army office in WWII named Michael Dizdar, who according to US Army records was in January 1944 stationed with a medical unit in Northern Ireland where invasion troops were said to be trained. Thus there is a "strong possibility" that the veteran who brought the pistol home "might" have partaken in the invasion. That is encouraging for a potential bidder to spend $100,000.

I personally have some reservations about the quality of engraving and finish of this pistol. Three small parts remain blued in spite of a nickle finish. I find the vine leaf engraving unusual for Walther. But perhaps it could have been engraved by a non-Suhl or Z-M engraver. Notice the runes in the circle. Something odd? They aren't centered in the circle. Poor execution in my estimation compared to a comparably engraved pistol in the 814xxx range. Although not shown, I would expect the magazine bottom to be similarly engraved, but it appears blued?

I find no conceivable reason to assume the ownership of the gun to have been Fegelein, no more than it could have been Hildebrandt's as thought some years ago. If original engraving, the pistol is simply an engraved example with unknown initials and of no particular historical import which would command such estimated value. This is only my opinion of course.
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I'm with you, Joe. But the source of my information is absolutely believeable. And you are right, these both recorded engraved guns stand alone in this SN range.

We know, that engraved guns were not only made by the 'master engravers' in town of ZM. But beside I personally don't believe in any gun showing SS-runes.
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I did enjoy the story, a great read, forgot it the moment I got back while continuing reading this tread……….$100k for some dud nobody heard of, Or anybody cared about……..yeah thats RIA….well my $100 low ball bid was not enough, new rule is to meet the minimum amount of $95k….lol.
Surprised this one did not have a story about “PPK was a present from AH to his personal secretary in appreciation of all her efforts and dedication…blablabla…..”
lets see how much both sell for, if at all.
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Poor execution in my estimation compared to a comparably engraved pistol in the 814xxx range.
To other interested readers: Joe is refering to this gun => The PP to Wilhelm Rediess
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I am always very sceptical about pistols that are assigned to a certain person only because of initials. At least the pistol in question features the usual proof marks. What always surprises me is how many of the engraved Walther pistols offered at auctions for top prices have no recognisable proof marks. Was it really common that the proof marks have been engraved over.
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I am afraid, it was a frequent mistake made especially by American postwar engravers (fakers?) to run over proof marks ... Dieter H. Marschall.
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I did enjoy the story, a great read, forgot it the moment I got back while continuing reading this tread……….$100k for some dud nobody heard of, Or anybody cared about……..yeah thats RIA….well my $100 low ball bid was not enough, new rule is to meet the minimum amount of $95k….lol.
Surprised this one did not have a story about “PPK was a present from AH to his personal secretary in appreciation of all her efforts and dedication…blablabla…..”
lets see how much both sell for, if at all.

Fegelein was pretty important. He was Henrich Himmler's stand-in in the final days of WW 2 in the bunker. He was the BIL to Eva Braun; married her sister. In the final days, perhaps the final day, he was taken into custody and shot.
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Fegelein was pretty important. He was Henrich Himmler's stand-in in the final days of WW 2 in the bunker. He was the BIL to Eva Braun; married her sister. In the final days, perhaps the final day, he was taken into custody and shot.
Thanks for clarifying…learning all the time, taking it all back!
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To me it seems that he was more interested in Hermann Goering's Smith & Wesson Military and Police revolver. I wonder what he was thinking about when staring at Fatso Goerings belt.
For sure it wouldn't have been Goerings BMI.

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