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Hello,

Just purchased a new S&W PPK/S .380. I disassembled the slide to clean the gun before I went out to fire. I did this while at the gun shop as well with no problems, but once I got home I think I might have a problem.

I have looked at an exploded view of the gun and according to the number (21) http://www.gunsworld.com/exploded/graphs/walther_ppk.gif The ejector and spring is the piece in question.

When I took the slide off, this piece fell to the floor. There is nothing attached to it that looks like a spring. When I look inside the hole where it belongs, when I depress the trigger, it looks like the spring is there attached to the trigger. Is this piece supposed to come off this easily? If there is something wrong, can I fix myself? I put the piece back on by just placing in the hole and putting the slide back on, but I am little concerned to fire. When I move the slide and watch the movement in the chamber it appears that this piece does move freely when the magazine is in, but it doesn't move when the magazine is out.

Hopefully I have described this enough. If you need further clarification, please let me know.

I hate that this has to be my first post, but I am just a little concerned.

Thanks for any help and words of encouragement!

John
 

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You need to find the spring that probably went flying when the lever got knocked off. It's happened to me before. If you can't....call Walther(S&W)
and they will mail you one.
You can fix it youself. Place the spring in the top of the ejector first, then
depress it into the frame.

-Michael
 

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The ejector has its own spring, a simple V-shaped piece of wire with a short curl on one of the legs. The legs are about 1/2" long. The straight leg fits in a slot in the top edge of the ejector, where it is staked during factory assembly so it does not fall out (but with S&W's indifferent QC of its Walther PP-series pistols, one never knows). When the ejector is installed in the frame, the other leg will be compressed against the upper surface of the frame's ejector cutout, so that the little curl clicks into in a tiny retaining slot and holds the ejector in the frame when the slide is dismounted. The tension of this V-spring holds the ejector in the normal downward position (to function as the ejector) except when it's forced up by the magazine follower when the mag is empty, to function as the hold-open.

Check your ejector and see if that spring is missing.
 

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Discussion Starter · #4 ·
When I look into the hole, I can see the spring in there, but I can't see to get it out. Do I have the drop the hammer loose, because I can see no other access to that area?

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Not sure what hole you're referring to. If you're talking about the round hole into which the boss on the front of the ejector fits (and through which you can see part of the trigger spring), that is completely unrelated and has nothing to do with your problem. Your problem is the absence (or fracture) of the separate little V-spring I described above.

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Thanks for everyones replies. I just got off the phone with S&W and they explained it to me. Like MGMike said, I was looking at something totally unrelated inside the round hole just above the trigger where the bar actually rests. The guy at S&W told me about the spring and I could visualize how the spring sits on the frame now and what I need to look for.

I don't know if I can find that spring, but thanks again for all your help. I feel like such a idiot.

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Run a magnet over the floor where you disassembled the ejector; you might get lucky. If not, mail the ejector back to S&W and ask them to install a new spring, and to please stake it for you.
 

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You need to find the spring that probably went flying when the lever got knocked off. It's happened to me before. If you can't....call Walther(S&W)
and they will mail you one.
You can fix it youself. Place the spring in the top of the ejector first, then
depress it into the frame.

-Michael

Just curious...you say this happened to you before. Is your pistol made by S&W? :)

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Yes, I have both a S&W PPK/S and an Interarms PPK.
Other Walther owners I know have also had this problem while cleaning
the pistol.

Keep your thumb against the ejector lever while cleaning or spend an hour
looking for that tiny spring!
 

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Yes, I have both a S&W PPK/S and an Interarms PPK.
Other Walther owners I know have also had this problem while cleaning
the pistol.

Keep your thumb against the ejector lever while cleaning or spend an hour
looking for that tiny spring!
I was wondering if it was a problem specific to S&W Walthers or to all Walthers. Thanks for that heads-up at any rate!!! :D



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I called back to S&W this morning and they were very polite in helping me. They sent me the "PPK" specialist as they call him, and he is sending me a spring, no charge. He told me it is a common problem and that he gets calls "everyday" from people telling him the same story.

I asked a good friend of mine who has an Interarms PPK and when I started the story, he interupted me and told me the same thing has happened to him, and he was just lucky the spring flew straight down and stuck in the carpet.

I didn't think it would be that common, but I believe I am going to order a couple of springs to have around just in case. I can see this being a potential issue if you are unaware of the chances, or if you are careless knowing that this can happen. Ounce of prevention ...

Once again, thanks for everyones help!
 

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I didn't get a part number when I talked to customer service. Didn't think about it. It should have a part number with it when I receive the new spring so I will report back then. When I was doing a google search on my problem, I recall finding a thread on another board saying the springs were $7 but that was from an aftermarket vendor.

My suggestion. Just call Walther America (S&W) and tell them your ejector bar came off. I did tell them I had just purchased the gun, but they did not run a serial number check or anything. They just took my address, and said they would send it out. Your mileage may vary, but it would seem that a simple call could get a new spring. I'm not condoning anything unethical, but ;-)
 

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Sooner or later, after they have replaced gratis a multitude of ejector springs, some genius at S&W will look at an original Walther, Manurhin or Interarms gun and figure out that the ejector should have been factory-crimped to avoid loss of the spring.

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I got the new spring today from S&W. No part number anywhere. Go figure. I think I got in in right following MGMike's description. The curled end is the end that goes up and slides in the slot on the frame. Correct? I didn't notice before, but if I installed correctly ... This piece is just looking for an excuse to fly off. It seems to push itself out just a little everytime I take the slide off and I have to push it back in. I thought I may have just put the spring in wrong.

Anyway, thanks again for everyone's help. :)
 

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Some time ago I posted that my PPK/S-1 failed at the range. The slide would not advance to the forward position after a firing. That ejector (#21 on the diagram) had broken and stopped the slide. I returned it to S&W for repair and that they did. The replacement ejector and spring is (are ?) very difficult to remove, so I have left it in place while cleaning. I assume the ejector/spring has been modified from the one that broke in my weapon. You might check with S&W about that. I haven't bothered, since I have had no more problems (about 600 rounds since the problem).

Anyway, I think my experienced problem is corrected.
 

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Well, I just got back from the range and everything is working fine. Shot 50 rounds with no problems to report.

I take that back ... 1 problem ... my wife totally out shot me!!! :mad: I mean bad too. I don't have an explanation. I shot terrible. I will definately need more practice to sight it in better for me. I don't know what I was doing wrong, but I line it up like my other guns but I was way off. At times 8-12 inches off. If it hadn't been for my wife showing me up, I would have said it was something with the gun, but apparantly it is with the operator. :)

Any help there would be great! ... another day, another forum ...

Again thanks for your help! I definately got the gun working and it was a pleasure to shoot ... :cool:
 

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ispeed: Were you shooting all single action or double action too? Double action can be tough to get on target for some guys. Other than that...how old are you and do you wear glasses and are they bifocals? Unless I am close enough to throw a stone at the target and hit it, I have a tough time hitting things with my blind eyes. :( I was actually amazed when I hit some gong targets with my S&W 617 at 100 yards. :eek:

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I am 30, don't wear glasses anymore. I had Lasik done about a year ago. Long story short, I am right handed, right eyed and after Lasik, that's the eye I see with the worst. I was correct to 20/15 left eye and 20/25 right eye. Doesn't seem like a big difference, but it is. I can still see the target fine. It was not my eyesight. I only wish I could blame it on that! I shot double action twice, the rest of shots I shot as single action. I can only say that I just need more practice. I normally just have the bottom of the target rest on the top of the front sight but with that I was way off. After a little play, I got the rounds down, but still outdone by the other half...

BTW ... she is on the phone now calling her friends telling them how much better a shot she is. She is even saying she is taking the targets to work tomorrow to show all the guys. Damn. I think I'm going to move ...
 
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