Paging Mr. @imaoldfart, please pick up the white courtesy telephone!
Hello, new owner- fun question!
Ok so just last month I got a new P99AS .40 cal. The one I got had sat for a while IMO, but I won't know for sure until I check the serial number. I have a PPQ M1 .40 cal, but since Walther has stepped away from the magazine release lever into the button "craze" I'm buying P99- a C is on the list for next.
One thing I noticed doing some shooting this weekend is that I like the action of the P99 better than the PPQ for CCW duty. I do seem to get a better purchase on the PPQ grip with it's stippling. I could simply put some grip tape on the P99 and call it good... but... what if I could transfer the P99 trigger system into a PPQ frame and use the P99 slide. I had both pistols side by side last night, and thought that it looked like it could be done by swapping just the trigger mechanism- maybe the bar also, but it appears that the bars are the same.
A friend noted that he liked the PPQ's trigger shape better than the P99, but I'm unsure if the PPQ assembly would fully actuate the P99 trigger mechanism because it has fewer degrees of rotation.
I'm sure I can get a PPQ frame, ambidextrous slide release, and trigger assembly for $$$. Then swap in my trigger mechanism. If it works just swapping over from my PPQ.
Has anyone tried this? I tried searching, but found nothing. I know it's quite a bit of pistol smithing, but I'm a bit surprised that nobody has tried it- I think it's my lack of searching skills.
One thing I noticed doing some shooting this weekend is that I like the action of the P99 better than the PPQ for CCW duty. I do seem to get a better purchase on the PPQ grip with it's stippling. I could simply put some grip tape on the P99 and call it good... but... what if I could transfer the P99 trigger system into a PPQ frame and use the P99 slide. I had both pistols side by side last night, and thought that it looked like it could be done by swapping just the trigger mechanism- maybe the bar also, but it appears that the bars are the same.
A friend noted that he liked the PPQ's trigger shape better than the P99, but I'm unsure if the PPQ assembly would fully actuate the P99 trigger mechanism because it has fewer degrees of rotation.
I'm sure I can get a PPQ frame, ambidextrous slide release, and trigger assembly for $$$. Then swap in my trigger mechanism. If it works just swapping over from my PPQ.
Has anyone tried this? I tried searching, but found nothing. I know it's quite a bit of pistol smithing, but I'm a bit surprised that nobody has tried it- I think it's my lack of searching skills.
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Ha....got your page. 
Been there, done that. Here's a PPQ M2 frame with a P99 sear housing, trigger bar and complete P99 slide assembly. You could do the same thing with a PPQ M1.
The PPQ trigger bar is missing the tab to actuate the double action pull, so if you used the PPQ trigger bar, you'd have a single action only trigger. If you want to keep all the P99 functionality, you'll need to use the P99 sear housing and trigger bar.
Waaaaaaayyyyyy too much work and $$$. Put a sleeve on your P99 and be happy.
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Been there, done that. Here's a PPQ M2 frame with a P99 sear housing, trigger bar and complete P99 slide assembly. You could do the same thing with a PPQ M1.The PPQ trigger bar is missing the tab to actuate the double action pull, so if you used the PPQ trigger bar, you'd have a single action only trigger. If you want to keep all the P99 functionality, you'll need to use the P99 sear housing and trigger bar.
Waaaaaaayyyyyy too much work and $$$. Put a sleeve on your P99 and be happy.
Closer inspection just a few seconds ago reveals that the trigger bar and trigger assembly would have to change along with the mechanism. The P99 trigger rotates further and so the mechanism travels further than the PPQ assembly will allow. Still it would be nice to have a P99 with a PPQ grip. It's a shame that they never made a PPQc M1!! I guess the soon to be purchased 99C will need some other solution.
Wow.. that's what I get for not refreshing the page first
You beat me to it.
Cool, it sure looked like it would work, so it does. I personally don't want an M2 button. With my small hands I have to release my grip and rotate the pistol to reach the button, so I prefer giving the middle finger to everyone nearby when I dump a mag.
I do like the ambi slide release in case maybe some day I'd have to use my other hand. That really should've been added to the P99 line by Walther IMO.
You beat me to it.
Cool, it sure looked like it would work, so it does. I personally don't want an M2 button. With my small hands I have to release my grip and rotate the pistol to reach the button, so I prefer giving the middle finger to everyone nearby when I dump a mag.
I do like the ambi slide release in case maybe some day I'd have to use my other hand. That really should've been added to the P99 line by Walther IMO.
I'm curious, and have been wondering this a while, but this seems like the perfect place to ask.
OldFart - the plates that keep the sear in, they look almost exactly identical on the p99 and the PPQ. Other than the hole where the striker extends out the back on the p99. Are those interchangable? And would that have to be done, on a project like WhyNot is talking about?
ALSO curious, since WhyNot's problem is with the stipling, could a frame from one of the clones, like the DR99 Or SW variant work with the p99 slide? I'm thinking so, since those companies pretty much did use the p99 slides.
WhyNot- the P99c is a fantastic subcompact, get it!! Here's why! https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/p99/111288-p99c.html
OldFart - the plates that keep the sear in, they look almost exactly identical on the p99 and the PPQ. Other than the hole where the striker extends out the back on the p99. Are those interchangable? And would that have to be done, on a project like WhyNot is talking about?
ALSO curious, since WhyNot's problem is with the stipling, could a frame from one of the clones, like the DR99 Or SW variant work with the p99 slide? I'm thinking so, since those companies pretty much did use the p99 slides.
WhyNot- the P99c is a fantastic subcompact, get it!! Here's why! https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/p99/111288-p99c.html
I'm curious, and have been wondering this a while, but this seems like the perfect place to ask.
OldFart - the plates that keep the sear in, they look almost exactly identical on the p99 and the PPQ. Other than the hole where the striker extends out the back on the p99. Are those interchangable? YES And would that have to be done, on a project like WhyNot is talking about? I can't speak for what WhyNot was thinking, but I was saying you can simply swap a complete P99 slide onto a PPQ frame. So, all the original slide components remain the same.
ALSO curious, since WhyNot's problem is with the stipling, could a frame from one of the clones, like the DR99 Or SW variant work with the p99 slide? I'm thinking so, since those companies pretty much did use the p99 slides.
Walther made ALL the frames, so, I'd be of the opinion that the slides/frames are interchangeable. However, ALL these pistols have pretty much the SAME flat sided grip like the Walther P99....nothing to be gained with this swap.
WhyNot- the P99c is a fantastic subcompact, get it!! Here's why! https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/p99/111288-p99c.html
Answers in 'blue' above...............
Heh, yeah. Good point about the frame swap keeping all the frame mounted parts. Dehr!
Ok, so for the most point, I had the right train of thought going. I really appreciate you confirming that for me OldFart, thanks!
Oh, by the way, that blue in the small italics is kinda hard to read....
Ok, so for the most point, I had the right train of thought going. I really appreciate you confirming that for me OldFart, thanks!
Oh, by the way, that blue in the small italics is kinda hard to read....
Now I know I don't have disassemble both of my pistols, just order a PPQ frame, and possibly a slide release. I'm not sure what parts come with the frame. It will probably be a few months since I have other things, but I'll be sure to keep everyone updated on parts cost if needed.
I can't help that I like the P99's DA/SA trigger and the PPQ's grip. Surely we can still order M1 frames. Grip tape is much cheaper, but it falls off sometimes, rubber sleeves are ok, but too much grip on the clothing while riding in the holster is not always a good thing.
I can't help that I like the P99's DA/SA trigger and the PPQ's grip. Surely we can still order M1 frames. Grip tape is much cheaper, but it falls off sometimes, rubber sleeves are ok, but too much grip on the clothing while riding in the holster is not always a good thing.
Ok, first let me say that I support you in the endeavor. Sounds like a great project, and I'm interested to hear about the live fire tests. Just wanna add tho, there there's also the option of getting the grip stipled.
It will be a while. I can't put the cart before the horse. First, 99C, then holster. Then break in both. Then I get 9mm conversion barrels for both before Jarvis stops selling them. If I had to guess, that project won't begin until sometime next year after Christmas is paid off, or maybe tax returns- who knows.
As far as just stippling, maybe for the 99C where I have no other option because my small hands need the trigger guard magazine release for one-handed mag drops. There are other reasons for the frame swap instead of a much cheaper option- I'd get a slide release on both sides. I'm a righty, but I do like practicing with my left hand. I practice left hand left eye, right hand right eye, right hand left eye- etc. Ok so that's one thing, the other is the ergos built into the PPQ grip, the little bulges, etc that the P99 doesn't have. Those must be part of why it fits so much better along with the stippling. Besides, I'd buy enough stuff that I could swap frames without having to disassemble the firearm completely.
Now if someone knows how to cut in an ambidextrous release in a 99C... that would be something, I think I certainly have to look into that- unless Walther graces us with a PPQ-SC M1, or updates the 99 series with a PPQ frame.
As far as just stippling, maybe for the 99C where I have no other option because my small hands need the trigger guard magazine release for one-handed mag drops. There are other reasons for the frame swap instead of a much cheaper option- I'd get a slide release on both sides. I'm a righty, but I do like practicing with my left hand. I practice left hand left eye, right hand right eye, right hand left eye- etc. Ok so that's one thing, the other is the ergos built into the PPQ grip, the little bulges, etc that the P99 doesn't have. Those must be part of why it fits so much better along with the stippling. Besides, I'd buy enough stuff that I could swap frames without having to disassemble the firearm completely.
Now if someone knows how to cut in an ambidextrous release in a 99C... that would be something, I think I certainly have to look into that- unless Walther graces us with a PPQ-SC M1, or updates the 99 series with a PPQ frame.
LOL, there are Euro models of the P99c with long and ambidextrous slide releases levers, and just to annoy us, many retailers in the US are using THAT stock photo for selling the regular 99c with the single short lever.
^^^^Yep....more than once, I've noticed the picture of the Euro P99C and I'd call and tell them I want a P99C like the one in the picture on their web site. These sellers don't have a clue. Its kinda sad. Bait and switch...........
I'll throw in my two cents regarding stipling- I stipled my P99 grip, pretty much the entire backstrap insert and then the raised rectangular portions of the front of the grip, and now I like its grip far more than my wife's PPQ. It's a huge improvement, and only costs the $20 for a soldering iron, plus your time. Just practice on a Pmag or something first.
Didn't Smith sell a P99 with the long levers, and called it "The Defense Kit"?
I had a P99c with the long paddle release. It was purchased in the U.S. I loved the release, I could reach it with my trigger finger on the right side and when not shooting, could just activate it with the left hand. My problem was the distance from the web of my hand to the trigger. Having smaller hands trying to squeeze the double action, was causing me a problem. Everything else about the piece was OK. I was hoping for someone to come up with a straight drop trigger but not yet. Tried to trade it on something else to no avail. They wanted me to give it to them at the LGS. Finally found a buyer for half of what I had in it. We sometimes listen to the hype and buy something that won't work for us. That long DA pull is what did it in for me. Should have tried one before buying. my .02 Quick
So I assume someone made a How-To on stippling? LOL I should’ve checked back here before ordering Talon grips. I figured those would be Ok until I decided on doing something with the frame. I got some for the 99C I don’t own yet.
The 99 seems to rotate more at the pin than the PPQ, and the sear travel proves it needs more because it does more. My friend with his bigger hands doesn’t like the curve on my 99 trigger, but I have the wrong backstrap in it for him.
Thanks for the replies.
The 99 seems to rotate more at the pin than the PPQ, and the sear travel proves it needs more because it does more. My friend with his bigger hands doesn’t like the curve on my 99 trigger, but I have the wrong backstrap in it for him.
Thanks for the replies.
If you're worried about grip tape falling off, I'd suggest trying a bicycle inner tube?
I was lost for most of this thread, had no idea what was going on. That's because my P99c has the long-lever ambi paddle mag release and (until now) I was not aware that it was out of the norm.
Grip tape won't fall off if it's installed correctly. If you shoot alot it will show some wear, and extreme heat can cause it to slide a little if you carry IWB all day. I've used all of them and found Talon to be the most durable and least prone to movement. Earlier this month (8/3/18) I shot a 1000 rd course with my winter carry Talon equipped P99c in some pretty blazing high desert heat w/out issue. My summer EDC PPS Classic has 4 yr old Talon tape and it's still in place. My PPS M2 has another company's grip tape (I'm not being coy, I just can't remember the name) that tended to slide when carried daily so it'll get replaced.
Grip tape won't fall off if it's installed correctly. If you shoot alot it will show some wear, and extreme heat can cause it to slide a little if you carry IWB all day. I've used all of them and found Talon to be the most durable and least prone to movement. Earlier this month (8/3/18) I shot a 1000 rd course with my winter carry Talon equipped P99c in some pretty blazing high desert heat w/out issue. My summer EDC PPS Classic has 4 yr old Talon tape and it's still in place. My PPS M2 has another company's grip tape (I'm not being coy, I just can't remember the name) that tended to slide when carried daily so it'll get replaced.
Thanks for the advice Jonnyuma. I got some Talon grip tape, the rubber variety, and installed a week ago. This weekend was the first chance I had to shoot it. It feels so good in hand that I don't think I'll ever change it to a PPQ grip. I was not lined up very well when I first stuck the grip on, but was able to shift it before using the hair dryer to mold it in place. The only problem- slight problem, I have with it is that with all that shifting, some of the adhesive ended up being deposited in places where there was no tape to cover it. I spent a few hours rubbing the excess adhesive off with my thumb and fingernails to rid myself of the sensation that I was grabbing used bubblegum stuck to my pistol.
Walther recommends Talon, and I would too.
BTW, I do have an ambidextrous magazine release, it's the ambi slide release that I'm missing. I'm partially shocked by this because why would someone produce a firearm with an ambi mag release, but not an ambi slide release? Baffling.
I'm only interested in ambi releases because I train with both hands, both eyes. I'm not that good with either at the moment, but that's what training is for. I can always train to slingshot the slide in my left hand, but I'd prefer a release in case my right hand was not in good condition- the only reason I'd be using my left hand anyway! I'll have to search to see what can be done to add an ambi slide release- if possible. I might have to order another pistol.
Walther recommends Talon, and I would too.
BTW, I do have an ambidextrous magazine release, it's the ambi slide release that I'm missing. I'm partially shocked by this because why would someone produce a firearm with an ambi mag release, but not an ambi slide release? Baffling.
I'm only interested in ambi releases because I train with both hands, both eyes. I'm not that good with either at the moment, but that's what training is for. I can always train to slingshot the slide in my left hand, but I'd prefer a release in case my right hand was not in good condition- the only reason I'd be using my left hand anyway! I'll have to search to see what can be done to add an ambi slide release- if possible. I might have to order another pistol.
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