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I saw one in a gun store and wanted to buy it but was searching online for a better price and I can't find it in stock anywhere.

I am really a newbie, so I have been searching and searching which gun to buy. I'm a very small woman and I liked how the gun felt in my hand but then I found the QD model online and think it's a newer version of the P22Q, but am wanting to ask to be sure.

So the PP22 QD model is $100 less than the PP22 Q model. Why would a discontinued model be more expensive?

I also was interested in the PPQ Tactical but I cannot tell how much bigger it is because I can't find it at my local store. I live in BFE. :) Actually there are few choices in my area for 22's that I can hold in my hand to get a feel for it.

The P22Q fit my hand perfectly. And I'd just like to say, all the PP22Q and the PPQ and the PP22QD's can really get confusing!!

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The P22QD is the updated version of the same handgun with a number of improvements. There's no reason to get a P22Q if you're choosing between the two of them. :)
 

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The original P22 came out in about 2001. The design was based on the exterior themes of the P99 pistol. These early pistol exhibited many issues including breaking slides. In about 2010 Walther introduced a revised version of the pistol that reflected PPQ design themes. The slide was beefed up and a few other changes were made that improved the pistol such as more rail slots and a few other details. In 2017 I believe Walther introduced the QD model of the pistol. It is essentially a P22 Q model but with a captive recoil spring and a decocking lever located inside the breech block and activated by the safety lever.....very PPK style.

All of these models are available with the 3.4" barrel and the 5" barrel with stabilizer. The rear of the pistol from the muzzle back is the same. To upgrade to the 5" barrel target model you simply loosen the barrel nut, remove the 3.4" barrel and barrel sleeve. Install the five inch barrel and matching sleeve, tighten the barrel to the frame in the same manner and with the same barrel nut. Both versions allow a thread adapter to be added should you wish the add a suppressor. The five inch barrel simply protrudes out the end of the muzzle and Walther supplies a clamp on weight they call a stabilizer to cover the end of the barrel, add additional sight distance and muzzle weight. Many people have both barrels. This is a light pistol so a firm grip is required... .22 ammo does not provide a lot of blowback energy. Have fun with it.

There is a problem though if you live in CA. Those pistols do not have a removable barrel nut that allow the barrels to be changed or a suppressor to be added. A five in barrel is readily available from Walther in Ft Smith and is easily installed on the pistol. I think they cost around $120.

The other model that sometimes causes confusion is the full size .22 pistol that is very similar to the full size PPQ pistols. It has an internal hammer whereas the larger caliber PPQ offerings are striker fired. That one is called the PPQ .22 but it is a full size pistol with a large grip. It has an aluminum slide and cost more than the P22. The P22 is the compact pistol that Ruger copied for the SR 22 and Smith copied for the M&P .22 compact. 1917



P22 Q model with 5" barrel and stabilizer.



P22 QD which is almost identical to any late model Q version. The only difference is a captive recoil spring assembly, red dot when safety lever set to fire, a safety drum activated decocking lever and lower primary hooks on the hammer. I caught it on sale at Ky Gun Co for $225. Someone recently said these are on sale somewhere for $219 at present. Thread here or at Rimfirecentral....I don't remember. They all carry a lifetime warranty in the Sates and prefer snappy ammo like CCI mini mags or Remington Golden Bullets. Weaker ammo in Winchester and some Federal varieties are not powerful enough for reliable cycling of the slide.
 

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Budsgunshop charged me $15 for a lifetime warranty...were they supposed to do that? I did buy the cci mini mags when I bought the gun.
They also charged me for shipping insurance....afterwards I thought about that...I thought the seller was responsible should the gun get lost in shipment.

And I didn't know about Ky Gun Shop and I'm from Kentucky originally and live right on the Indiana/Ky Border.

And thanks for the info on the PPQ 22. I wondered if it was full-size, so I'm glad I bypassed that one.
 

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Bud's gives you the option of buying their lifetime warranty when you purchase through them. However, it's not necessary since Walther provides a lifetime warranty anyway. It may be worth calling Bud's and explaining to them that you didn't know that Walther offers a lifetime warranty when you paid for it. They may refund it to you, if not, at least you're only out $15.:)
 

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Buds knows about the lifetime warranty. When I order from Ky gun co or others; free shipping, no tax but the pistol has to be shipped to my local FFL gunshop who charge $20 for the paperwork and out the door I go. If you need warranty work call Ft Smith, Ark. They will e mail you a shipping label. Send unloaded pistol to them. They will repair/replace and ship back all on their dime. We all have to learn. 1917
 

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Bud's gives you the option of buying their lifetime warranty when you purchase through them. However, it's not necessary since Walther provides a lifetime warranty anyway. It may be worth calling Bud's and explaining to them that you didn't know that Walther offers a lifetime warranty when you paid for it. They may refund it to you, if not, at least you're only out $15.:)
Weird they would offer a warranty when the gun comes with one. Hopefully the gun will work perfectly now that I am double covered. :eek:
 

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Buds knows about the lifetime warranty. When I order from Ky gun co or others; free shipping, no tax but the pistol has to be shipped to my local FFL gunshop who charge $20 for the paperwork and out the door I go. If you need warranty work call Ft Smith, Ark. They will e mail you a shipping label. Send unloaded pistol to them. They will repair/replace and ship back all on their dime. We all have to learn. 1917
Thanks I wish I had known about them. I was not sure why Bud's charged me tax but then I found out it's because I live in the bloodsucking state of Indiana. :rolleyes:
 

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Had you purchased a used firearm their warranty might be a good deal if the store is close by. But with a new Walther all of their pistols have a lifetime warranty and the process is pretty painless. Call them, explain the problem and they e-mail a shipping label. Take it to fed x or similar, box it, apply the label and they mail it back to your home address when repaired...usually within a week....so, no need for extra warranty.

On the other hand if you purchased a used gun....no telling what you might run into the having them fix i would be well worth the money. Not everyone offers a lifetime warranty although most new firearms come with some warranty unless you go modifying the pistol.....uh....like I do. keep us posted on how it shoots and if you have any issues we have a lot of experience with the pistol. Firm grip and reliable ammo overcomes most problems. Remington Golden Bullets work fine and are less expensive than CCI. 1917
 

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By law they have to collect sales tax. Out of state sales it is not required...but, that is rapidly changing. Amazon has been the big culprit here. People shop brick and mortar stores so they can feel the camera, firearm, etc. and then go home and order through Amazon to avoid tax. That really isn't fair and more and more items are having State tax collected by Amazon. 1917
 

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Academy has them on sale right now

I was in Academy yesterday afternoon and looked through the Sales propaganda that is at the door. I flipped to the guns, and the P22Q is one of the guns that they are selling..on sale now, for $249.

I do have the brochure, but You can probably find that sale ad online if you Google it.
 

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By law they have to collect sales tax. Out of state sales it is not required...but, that is rapidly changing. Amazon has been the big culprit here. People shop brick and mortar stores so they can feel the camera, firearm, etc. and then go home and order through Amazon to avoid tax. That really isn't fair and more and more items are having State tax collected by Amazon. 1917
Bud's told me that a law passed in December for Indiana that they had to collect Indiana sales tax even in they have no physical presence in that state so Indiana has over a billion dollar surplus and they are trying to get more money that's why I call them the bloodsucking state LOL. Also an Amazon warehouse is located in Indiana, so I always have to pay taxes when I order from Amazon.

If brick and mortar stores had the item I wanted, I would just buy it from them (unless the price difference was outrageous and that's one thing that Amazon has fixed-price gouging from brick and mortar stores) but most of the time the brick and mortar stores are out of stock, Walmart being a good example, which then sends me online. I live in very rural area so shopping around is not an option. :)
 

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I was in Academy yesterday afternoon and looked through the Sales propaganda that is at the door. I flipped to the guns, and the P22Q is one of the guns that they are selling..on sale now, for $249.

I do have the brochure, but You can probably find that sale ad online if you Google it.

My gun is already on the way. But funny my store wanted $429 for the same gun. :eek:
 

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My gun is already on the way. But funny my store wanted $429 for the same gun. :eek:
Which is why they many times lose out to on-line sales. I bought a 9mm Shield for $225...then they had the .45 Shield for $225...ha, I'll order that in the morning....too late, sold out and haven't seen them for anywhere near that price since. SilencerCo SS Sparrow suppressor was on sale one day for $249. I ordered one. Decided to get another the next day....too late, sold out. That is half price. Sales go on all the time...you can visit these places and get on their e-mail. They will bombard you with sales e-mails. Some even have something you might really want. If you do this, locate a pawn shop or gun shop that will accept your firearm and only charge you $20 or so. They are around. The big shops want $100+ which is them basically saying they don't want to handle your on-line purchases. I don't blame them either.

https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/p22/89993-p22-qd-assessment-pictures-measurements.html

When a new version of the P22 comes out I usually get one, take it all apart, measure stuff, shoot it and present an assessment of what I see with pictures. here is one I did on my new QD. I lived in Hanover for two years. Louisville for 16. Patoka Lake recreation was one of my projects as was the Falls of the Ohio National Wildlife Conservation Area in the Ohio River just below the McAlpine locks and dam. 1917
 

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Which is why they many times lose out to on-line sales. I bought a 9mm Shield for $225...then they had the .45 Shield for $225...ha, I'll order that in the morning....too late, sold out and haven't seen them for anywhere near that price since. SilencerCo SS Sparrow suppressor was on sale one day for $249. I ordered one. Decided to get another the next day....too late, sold out. That is half price. Sales go on all the time...you can visit these places and get on their e-mail. They will bombard you with sales e-mails. Some even have something you might really want. If you do this, locate a pawn shop or gun shop that will accept your firearm and only charge you $20 or so. They are around. The big shops want $100+ which is them basically saying they don't want to handle your on-line purchases. I don't blame them either.

https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/p22/89993-p22-qd-assessment-pictures-measurements.html

When a new version of the P22 comes out I usually get one, take it all apart, measure stuff, shoot it and present an assessment of what I see with pictures. here is one I did on my new QD. I lived in Hanover for two years. Louisville for 16. Patoka Lake recreation was one of my projects as was the Falls of the Ohio National Wildlife Conservation Area in the Ohio River just below the McAlpine locks and dam. 1917
I was raised in Louisville! And I moved later over to Indiana, (I always wanted to see the Falls of the Ohio, but have not gone yet), and currently I live far south of Patoka Lake and I have 8 acres but still wondering where I can practice with my new gun when it comes without shooting the neighbors. :eek:

Thanks for the link...I sure hope my P22 doesn't give me any problems, I'm terrified one will get stuck in the chamber after all I've read.
 

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You have plenty of warranties :p to cover it if spent cases do get stuck. Really that has been pretty rare. My QD chamber is fine. I've never had a barrel in a P22 that had a bad chamber. If you do get a round or case stuck, remove the magazine, place the pistol on safe and then press down hard on the nose of the extractor while pulling the slide rearward. If a couple of tries doesn't free it then I'd try something down the muzzle to tap it out. If it was a live round I would lock the slide back and then make sure it stayed open by holding it open with my hand while I tapped on the nose of the round to free it. If it was a spent case, I'd do the same. These reports were regarding CCI mini mags as I recall. That is a premium round. Ft Smith took the pistols in and worked on the chamber just a bit to bring it to specs. That seems to have solved this rather rare issue. I went over it with the head of customer service so he would know a few had been reported here. 1917
 

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The gun shop charged me $40 to pick up my gun!

And I'm glad you are here 1917, cause it makes me less nervous knowing I have someone to help me along should I need it.

Also I do not like the magazine release too much.

I gotta read the manual now. I couldn't even find the magazine release. LOL
 

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Hayley3,


Out of curiosity are you new to firearms in general or just the P22? If you're new to firearms I'd really recommend taking some basics classes at a local range. I don't mean to sound presumptuous, but it seems like from your posts that it may be good for you to get some expert in-person instruction with your new gun.
 

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The gun shop charged me $40 to pick up my gun!

And I'm glad you are here 1917, cause it makes me less nervous knowing I have someone to help me along should I need it.

Also I do not like the magazine release too much.

I gotta read the manual now. I couldn't even find the magazine release. LOL
I'm not following you....you bought a new gun in a local gunshop? You should have to pay for the firearm and taxes. What was the $40 for. If they charged that for the paperwork...I'd never darken their door again.

I pay $20 to a local gun shop for the paperwork but that is only because I am not purchasing the firearm from them....but I am using their FFL and time for my benefit so I don't mind. If I buy a firearm from them I'm not paying them anything for the paperwork. Find a local pawn/gun shop or gun shop that charges $20 or so and order your firearms on sale and have them sent to that FFL holder. Most of the on-line gun sellers actually have a list of people in you area that have a FFL license. You need to call or drop by to ask what they charge for the service. The big stores usually don't want to fool with it. I think the shop I deal with makes more money on doing the paperwork because I never see a firearm in there I would consider purchasing...even if on sale.

That mag release is the best....much better than a button. I use my trigger finger...once you get used to it you will think it is great. Press up on the mag a bit if you want it to work really easily. Pressing it up takes the pressure off of the release. 1917
 
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