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I thought I'd try the Fed 550 bulk and consistent problems. Finished off the box after a couple of range trips. Just grinned and beared it.
You're more patient than my girl and I are, Firewire. We had nothing but trouble with the Federal 550 bulk and gave up after about 75 rounds. She had failures-to-feed in every magazine because the little lip those rounds have around the bullet would catch on the sides of the chamber on the way in. They were also very inconsistent when they did fire, and were absolutely filthy. There would be a big brown puff of stinky smoke and residue all over (and inside) her P22 after shooting them.

We thought it was just new-Walther break in trouble, but the problems never went away. So we just gave the rest of the box to a couple of guys at the range who had a Ruger MKII. That gun really will eat anything. I know because I bought one a while ago and it's my range gun, as well as the perfect zombie gun. I've shot 50 year old cartridges through it that were corroded and flaky with age and it sent them on their ways with no problems.

I'll try some mini-mags for her P22 if I can find any around here. I've yet to find any, but at least I can get the Stingers. They're expensive compared to bulk but they're worth it. Powerful, accurate, clean, and reliable. Did I mention the muzzle flash? That makes them worth the cost even more!

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Whatever works best for you is the best ammo for your P22. I''ve fired a lot of a number of em. My 2 cents, Stingers are too powerful although that is what Walther tests the pistol to 20K rounds with. They cost too much also. Federal bulk is marginal regarding enough power to cycle the slide. Remington GB 36 gr is the best bulk in my opinion. Target ammunition is expensive but more accurate if you just gotta get into a shooting match. M1911



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And, I sometimes shoot a lot at one sitting and with no cleaning either. A number of times I've tested P22s that I have modded and continuously fired over 2,000 rounds with no further maintenance to the pistol and with no gun failure during the shooting. Dud rounds don't count against the pistol. Failure to eject, failure to close the slide, etc. do. I use Remoil for lubricant, blow off all excess and rub dry powdered moly on wear points. M1911
 

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Good shooting. Now my question: did you eat him too? I would never shoot an animal unless:

A) I intend to eat it.

B) It's a mean dog or other animal who intends to eat me.

C) It's vermin who is doing destructive damage to my house/trashcan/garden.

Not to sound like a hillbilly, but squirrel is quite delicious although the small amount of meat makes taking several home necessary. I could share a wonderful recipe if anyone were interested.

-Pilotsteve
I'm GAME to your squirrel recipe if you will.
Always like to try some thing new.

Thank much! Tool.
 

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CCI Standard Velocity

My P22 5" bbl likes CCI Standard Velocity. The price won't break the bank and it is clean. Another advantage is that it is so widely available that I hardly need to swap ammo brands and for more than a year now CCI SV is my fave LR fodder. :)
 

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Does anyone have any experience using the 525 Federal Champion bulk (blue and black box)?

look 4 posts up. looks like plenty of those boxes in the picture.

i've been using the federal value packs with pretty good success. a few ftfire's here and there and an occasional ftfeed. palming the slide shut is almost instinctual from using the remmy bulks so no love lost for the fed bulks LOL.

as per every one else's findings, mini-mags run flawlessly in my 5" p22 and my wife's 3.4" p22.
 

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I bought my P22 last year around this time. I bought it because I liked the way it felt, and without knowing anything about the reported issues with it. I visited the forum here and the more I read, the more "buyer's remorse" I had. However, I downloaded the "bible", did the recommended mods, all before shooting it. Mine has worked perfectly with any ammo that I've tried. I did not try stingers, at the time they weren't to be had around here, and to date I haven't tried them. But everything else, Federals, Winchester, CCI minimags, all worked great. However, as odd as it may sound, the ammo that I keep it loaded with and shoot the most of is the Aquila 60 grain "snipers". They function perfectly, not much noise, and hit pretty hard. My second most shot ammo are CCI minimags, but I keep coming back to the snipers.
 

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P22 ammo

The only ammo of those that I have tested that my P22 will shoot reliably is Stingers. It is an early one, and went right back to Smith after 500 rounds or so. They replaced both mags but did nothing else. Still will only shoot Stingers.

Great fun to shoot, though, isn't it?
 

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Well we learned what to use and what not to use with my P22 today. I have been using CCI Stinger and have had absolutely no problems at all. Feeds well, no problems.

My husband decided he was going to take my P22 out back and give it a run while I was busy. He apparently used up the last of my CCI, and recalled he had some Winchester SuperX got his 22 rifle. So he ran in and grabbed that to run through. It failed in epic fashion. Failure to feed, failure to eject, and what ended the day was one of them got STUCK in the gun because the casing split open and it jammed IN the barrel. :eek:

This is what they look like:


This is the one that split and jammed:


Another shot of the one that jammed, you can see where the pin hit it and it just failed badly:


My husband got it out and got the gun cleaned up but I am less than thrilled. I have a new rule in the house, nothing but CCI for the P22.
 

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...I am less than thrilled. I have a new rule in the house, nothing but CCI for the P22.
You might want to consider a second new rule in the house ... one regarding your husband. :)

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I can't see the photos.
 

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Heh I don't mind him using it, he knows more about them than I do by far. He just didn't realize the amo was not going to play nice with the P22.

As for the photos, not sure what happened. I tried using the image tags in the faq.

Here are the urls for the photos since I fail at posting :D

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I don't know about the "best" ammo for sure, but I ran an informal test of two common bulk loadings on my last range trip.

Two 550 round bulk packs:
-Federal 550-round bulk in the red box from WalMart (probably)
(hereafter referred to as fed550)
-Remington 550-round "golden bullet" bulk pack
(Rem550)
... I don't stock Rem550, a somewhat new shooter gifted it to me as a "thank you" for range time and rimfire guns/ammo to shoot
Both types are 36 grain plated hollow points


... were expended by two shooters:
Myself
My wife (both of us are fairly decent handgun users)


... in three well-maintained guns:
-a very well broken-in P22 (short barrel) with VQ exact edge extractor (otherwise just broken-in stock and a new slide latch spring, plus a short-barrel conversion S&W hooked me up with after probelms with the "compensator" of the long barrel setup)
-a target-tweaked Ruger mkIII 5.5" bull barrel with various VQ upgrades (extremely reliable in addition to being far more accurate than I am capable of)
-a Henry H001L "lever carbine" (stock, it has had a recent internal cleaning and is otherwise a simple reliable little lever gun ... I like it so much I have a mare's leg"* version on order)
*[a "mare's leg" is a lever-action pistol, in this case a vestigial stock and a 12" barrel]

All ammunition was shot in one manufacturer strings (meaning no mixing in the mags) .
Rounds that did not ignite were rotated and tried again.
If rotation was fumbled and the primer rim indents were touching, I didn't count it as a re-try.
If the primer dent was minor I didn't count it at all, I just tossed those back in because they probably weren't an ammo problem. (this was more an issue as guns passed the 300 round mark, and no I did not keep detailed records on round count in each gun)
I kept records on the inside of the box lids, counting up "1", "2", and "3+" ... meaning "failed on one try but ignited on second", "failed on two tries but ignited on three", or "took more than three tries to ignite or give up"
Oddly, no entries were in the "2" category, and not many that made it to three would go off at all, I dissected a couple and they appeared to have no primer on the rim, just some flaky crap in the powder

Results follow:
Rem550 -
14 rounds did not fire on the first try, of which 9 did not fire at all with three or more good solid primer strikes.
No unusual failures to feed, go into battery, or eject (when ignited) were noted. (an occasional failure to strip a round out of the P22's mag towards the end, which wasn't surprising given the impressive filth/waxy mung/grit level in the P22 at the end)
No remarkable malfunctions were noted, oddly the P22 ate the Rem550 better than the Ruger or the Henry, so it got about half of the pack.
Rem550 had trouble ejecting in both pistols when it didn't light off, as both have upgraded extractors I'm blaming the rim shape, it happened with clean pistols and dirty pistols, I suspect the Henry's dual extractors held it a bit better.
Rem550 was oddly inconsistent with "recoil" ... one or two rounds in ten were noticeably louder or quieter than the average.
Accuracy was fine, possibly assisted by the "ball and dummy drill" of having an occasional unwanted snap-cap mixed in (surprise!). Sighted fire hit at POA or had a consistent POI (rifle indoors at 25 meters hits a bit high)
Rem550 left more smoke in the air, and the ammo left black and glittery crud on my fingers

Fed550 -
Two rounds did not light off on the first try, one of which would not light with three tries ... and then I fumbled it into the brass pile, I wanted to dissect it but lost motivation when I didn't spot it rapidly.
One round had a lead lip shoved back over the brass, it may have been caused when feeding, I load the Ruger mags with a speed-loader and don't know for sure if it had that lip in the box. It chambered with a bit of an assist and fired unremarkably.
Otherwise no failures to feed or chamber except an occasional failure to strip a round out of the P22's mag, again, filthy P22)
Fed550 was more consistent in "recoil" and noise.
Accuracy was fine, possibly a bit better than Rem550 but I wasn't doing bench shooting (in fact I did a lot of rapid-fire blasting and point-shooting with both types, and some amusingly inaccurate "shoot from the hip" nonsense with the Henry)
Sighted fire had a consistent POI (all guns are set up to eat Fed550 right now, which didn't have a significant difference in POA/POI at 30 or 82 feet compared to Rem550)
Fed550 burns cleaner and leaves less (not "no" ... "less") mess on my hands

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My data gathering may have been flawed, I don't know the age of either box, I don't know if either was subjected to extended vibration or heat/cold cycles (they both spent an unknown amount of time in shipping and delivery) or moisture before I had them. They did both go into the same ammo container with other "rimfire, bulk" ammo and some desiccant.
I know I didn't keep accurate round counts and I used three different guns with different numbers of each ammo through each gun, this was a rimfire-only blasting range trip, I haven't been able to go for about 6 weeks with work, colds for everyone in the house, an eye injury for me and an endless parade of reasons not to go shooting ... I still haven't tried out the P22 with a long barrel and no "compensator", and I haven't shot my carry guns in over two months (the PPS is on a lint-gathering mission, no cleaning or lube for another month or so and we'll see how it runs with EFMJ and Gold Dots!).

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What I learned:
1 - Rem550 sucks, but not as bad as I remember
2 - Fed550 isn't perfect (I knew that) but is pretty good (knew that, too)
3 - both cost about the same, I'll leave which is a better buy as an exercise for the student
4 - Win555 costs about the same, too ... but I'm all out, I've run good boxes of it and bad boxes, which reminds us ...
5 - These boxes were not necessarily representative of all ammo of their type
6 - my policy of "well, the Henry will eat anything" is apparently wrong, the P22 was best at digesting the Rem550
7 - I really should have brought the mini-revolver for definitive primer-smashing, that's the only gun that bashes them better than the Henry (I suspect it has something to do with not needing to cock the hammer with blowback, so the hammer/mainspring can be beefier)
8 - shooting stuff is fun!



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Blazer ammo

I too am a new p22 owner. Found a good deal on CCI Blazer ammo, 5000 rounds bulk. I have shot ~ 350 rounds with no failures. I do keep my guns well oiled.:eek:
 

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Blazer ammo supplier

Since I am new, I did not know if it was OK to post the supplier I bought the ammo from. I decided to give it a try to find out if it really is a good buy or not.

I said "bulk" in previous post, but only because of the quantity. The ammo actually came in 50 rounds to a box, 10 boxes to a case, 10 cases. The 50 rounds are packed in a plastic shell holder that holds each individual shell separate. I have shot about 400 rounds without a mishap of any sort, ammo and P22 operated perfectly.

So is it a good buy or what?
 

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I'm closer to 30,000 than 20,000 through my P22 now. CCI Mini Mags are my staple, and favorite by far. Stingers are nice, but seem a bit excessive for daily use. RGB's have never presented a problem, nor have bulk Federal -but the pistol is noticibly more dirty after those. I guess I got lucky, too. Any high velocity ammo I've tried, mine has eaten.
 

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Mini Mags are good, but-----------

The lowest price I have found on Mini Mags is almost twice what I paid for the Blazers(.06 vs .032 ea). They are made by the same company with almost the same specs, so I cannot justify to myself to get the Mini Mags at the prices I have found.

If I can find the Mini Mags for about .04 ea, or a little higher, I would probably switch. From what I hear they probably are cleaner shooting and a little more accurate then the Blazers. Do you know if I can and where I can get them for that price?
 

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Thunderbolt Ammo = Not for my p22

I put over three hundred rounds of this stuff through my P22 and there was so much crap in the barrel i could not get the rod down the barrel.

I would not suggest Thunderbolt as a healthy ammo for a P22
 

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CCI Standard -> all I tried, but works well

Hi,
due to limited availability of cheap (non target) ammo I have shot only about 1000 rounds of CCI Standard through mine yet. Nevertheless I am very impressed with it. I have experienced so far only a few FTLs , but these were likely shooter related, as I am used to having hands as high as possible on the gun, which might lead to fingers stopping the slide.

Last weekend I shot about 100 rounds at -5 to -10 degrees Celsius ( 20 degrees Fahrenheit (?)) with a self built silencer (legal here) with 0 problems. Lots of other guys had problems with their .22s and ammo combinations. My P22 was pretty clean before and dry lubed with PTFE spray only.
 
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