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When I was a little tyke, I would shoot archery with my Boyscout troop in God knows where USA.

Prior to shooting, Mr. Archery Expert had me put both hands straight in front of my face, making a hole in the space between my thumbs and index fingers.

"Left eye", he said.

I was probably about 7 or 8 at the time, but I remembered when I was even younger, I would shoot up in Montana with my family, and I always shot right eye dominant.

Of course, when I walked up to the bow, I grabbed it from the right side, where I had always shot rifles, and Mr. Instructor was now Mr. On The Ball and insisted I shoot from the other side.

Moving ahead, everything I have done is right hand dominant; writing, guitar, baseball, basketball, football, golf, which is surprising because I played hockey for years left handed and had much more success with that than in golf.

Anyway, there is no question in my mind I am right hand dominant, none. But, when I was shooting outside yesterday- I had a little bit of trouble keeping my groups tight with my PPQ, which is something I had never struggled with in months prior indoors(?). I started thinking back to childhood, and what that instructor told me (what's up, Freud?). I shifted tilted my head a little bit to the right so my left-eye was positioned more behind the sights (both eyes open - isosceles) and suddenly everything was tightening up again.

Felt a little strange, but the groups were there. I'm certain others have dealt with this issue, and just curious what approaches you have taken? The more I tinkered with it the more I found that the weaver stance actually made the "tilting to the right to put left eye behind the posts" easier, as opposed to isosceles, so I might continue that trend.

No contacts or glasses, I'm in my mid 20s and never had any problems, think I would have noticed playing college ball, but may look into it, I suppose it is all downhill after 21 :D

Have read of some people putting tape over their shooting glasses, shooting one eye closed :eek: or even switching to their non-dominant hand to shoot, but none of these sound reasonable to me, curious what the intelligent Walther folk could chime in with?
 

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When I was a little tyke, I would shoot archery with my Boyscout troop in God knows where USA.

Prior to shooting, Mr. Archery Expert had me put both hands straight in front of my face, making a hole in the space between my thumbs and index fingers.

"Left eye", he said.

I was probably about 7 or 8 at the time, but I remembered when I was even younger, I would shoot up in Montana with my family, and I always shot right eye dominant.

Of course, when I walked up to the bow, I grabbed it from the right side, where I had always shot rifles, and Mr. Instructor was now Mr. On The Ball and insisted I shoot from the other side.

Moving ahead, everything I have done is right hand dominant; writing, guitar, baseball, basketball, football, golf, which is surprising because I played hockey for years left handed and had much more success with that than in golf.

Anyway, there is no question in my mind I am right hand dominant, none. But, when I was shooting outside yesterday- I had a little bit of trouble keeping my groups tight with my PPQ, which is something I had never struggled with in months prior indoors(?). I started thinking back to childhood, and what that instructor told me (what's up, Freud?). I shifted tilted my head a little bit to the right so my left-eye was positioned more behind the sights (both eyes open - isosceles) and suddenly everything was tightening up again.

Felt a little strange, but the groups were there. I'm certain others have dealt with this issue, and just curious what approaches you have taken? The more I tinkered with it the more I found that the weaver stance actually made the "tilting to the right to put left eye behind the posts" easier, as opposed to isosceles, so I might continue that trend.

No contacts or glasses, I'm in my mid 20s and never had any problems, think I would have noticed playing college ball, but may look into it, I suppose it is all downhill after 21 :D

Have read of some people putting tape over their shooting glasses, shooting one eye closed :eek: or even switching to their non-dominant hand to shoot, but none of these sound reasonable to me, curious what the intelligent Walther folk could chime in with?
Not an expert here, but I too am right handed and left eye dominant. I also shoot a little better when I shoot right handed but use my left eye. Really, I think the only difference here is keeping both eyes open. If I shoot using my right eye, I have to close my left eye or it tries to take over. However, when using my left eye I can keep both eyes open without a problem.
 

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If you wanted to change to right eye dominant:

It is possible to change eye dominance by actively suppressing the visual field of the dominant eye. This is achieved with an eye patch bandage that covers the dominant eye, with adhesive tape around the patch perimeter.

The eye patch does not need to be black to blot out all light, and the dominant eye does not need to stay closed. The eye patch simply presents the dominant eye with a static unchanging visual field containing nothing of visual importance, and the brain is forced to rely on the suppressed eye for visual information.

The experience does cause irritation and frustration for the eye patch wearer since their visual capabilities for comprehension will be reduced until the brain starts to adapt to not being able to use the dominant eye.
This was actually shown in a movie, Fire Birds, in 1990 with Nicholas Cage and Tommy Lee Jones. Decent movie. Fire Birds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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It would be temporary!

Actually, you've really got to see how they did it in Fire Birds. You'd feel much better about being a pirate.
 

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I've had cataracts so now have synthetic lenses. Left eye additionally has a scleral buckle due to a detached retina a few years ago. I shoot two-hand, Weaver mostly, left eye dominant for years (I'm well beyond my 20's now). Recently while at the range I tried a right hand only, right eye to sight... result was a tighter group! Shooting two handed and left eye to sight, at 21' my grouping was okay but all a bit low and left. Single hand and right eye the group is tighter and center-high. Significant difference.

I will invariably use a modified Weaver stance; one-hand shooting was with the right foot forward, two hand with the left in front.
 

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There's much debate on this issue. Many advise against trying to change eye dominance (I tend to agree). I'm also right hand/left eye dominant. I discovered this when I started shooting rifles with both eyes open, many years ago. I never even noticed that I used my left eye with handguns. It had always just been natural.

My answer (after several years of attempting workarounds and wasting time) was to continue shooting pistols with my right hand and left eye and shooting rifles left handed (hey, if it works for Larry Vickers right?).

Its a nonissue with handguns IMO and it actually has some advantages with rifles. Having your strong(er) hand up front on a rifle where you need to support more weight is actually kind of nice. it can also help with gear/magazine placement if you're "full battle rattle". :eek:

... It also makes you a more ambidextrous shooter in general.

It took a little while to get use to the switch with rifles. But I think the best bet is to just bite the bullet. I wish I wouldn't have wasted so much time trying to do what felt comfortable and went straight into doing what needed to be done.
 

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I wish I wouldn't have wasted so much time trying to do what felt comfortable and went straight into doing what needed to be done.
That's man stuff.

I have thought about changing sides with a rifle, especially starting prone/benched as there really isn't too much involved other than keepin' 'er steady, then eventually working way to standing position. I'll have to tinker with that.

As you said, there isn't too much a difference with pistols, but enough that it is noticeable (for me).

Do you know the logical behind not "changing" eye dominance? That is something, like your "more rounded shooter" argument, that I think would make one a "more rounded observer" :D
 

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Do you know the logical behind not "changing" eye dominance? That is something, like your "more rounded shooter" argument, that I think would make one a "more rounded observer" :D

It's been awhile and I don't remember the specifics behind why it was "a bad idea" in the minds of some. I know for me it simply didn't work and just confused the issue. Though, my left eye is definitely stronger (aside from being dominant) and that may have had something to do with my lack of success. It may be easier if your sight is equally as good in the eye you're trying to "train".

I just remember that most (it wasn't a universal opinion) of those who's credentials impressed and who's opinion I tended to give more weight* (like LAV and another top trainer whos name escapes me at the moment) recommended making the switch to lefty for rifles and they certainly didn't seem to suffer for it. I didn't listen... At first. :(


* That applies to cross dominant shooters, those who deal with them regularly, as well as doctors in the field. Most of the "change your eye dominance" crowd were "gamers" (like skeet shooters and such) and less in the high level "tactical/defense"- crowd.

Cross dominance is a highly individualized thing though... So, YMMV. ;)
 

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Have you tried shooting lefty? I practice with both hands wich is why I like ambidextrous guns. I am left eye dominant. I shoot better with my right hand with both eyes open. It is a comfort to know I can shoot with my left hand if I need too. Ed
 

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That really depends on you. You don't have to block off the eye all day, just do exercises that work on changing it.

Here are some websites about it:

Cross Eye Dominance Exercises | LIVESTRONG.COM

How to overcome cross-dominance - Mississippi Sportsman

How Do I Change Eye Dominance? | eHow.com

A good PDF, specifically surrounding shooting:

www.easyhit.com/misc/MasterEyeDominanceArticle.pdf


In the first 5 pages of Google results, I didn't see anything that indicated it was a bad idea. I saw a few that said it's not easy, but it is possible.
 

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I don't think there's a serious threat of going cross eyed or anything.

But it was a bad idea for me. Because I wasted a couple years of putting scotch tape on my glasses and other junk. Only to find after it was removed my left eye would take back over (in short order if not immediately).

Time which could have been spent on making myself a better shooter and working with my natural strengths.

I know if I'm teaching a new shooter and I notice they're cross dominant I immediately start having them shoot from the dominant eye. Every trainer I'm aware of does the same. So unless you're and old dog incapable of learning new tricks (I think I made it just before the cut off)... I think you're better off looking at it as a challenge and an opportunity for self improvement.
 

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Thanks, but I'd rather not be the butt of pirate jokes.
Some how I don't think wearing a set of red ladies panties over your eye will make you into the image of a pirate. It might make you into an image of something else, but certainly not a pirate!
 

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what he said.....
I too shoot pistols right handed left eye dominant
rifles left handed... I never had a problem with it at all.....
 

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Here is an interesting article that talks about cross eye dominance. Seems he had success with the pistol just going with the cross dominance.

WARRIOR TALK NEWS - Right Hand, Left Eye, One Way-Wrong Way

Worth a shot. And I think that his message is more important above all; to find what works best for you and stick with it.
 

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As far as I know, lefties can shoot left handed. Everything in the marksmanship manuals are written for a right handed shooter though. I remember left handed shooters on the rifle range and in the armory we constantly switched out the M9 mag release from right to left for left handed shooters.

If the regular military were really on the ball though, we'd be teaching everyone to use both sides. Just not enough time or resources I think.

Great question though, because I never really paid attention to it as I am right handed, I really had to think back!
 
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