[Vandal320]

Came across this article today.

https://www.recoilweb.com/glock-to-...tgINnE6PO8YlHVwFra2cl5VF28exhZc4lomj4DLB1hqVU

 

[halfmoonclip]

Not real hard to figure out the inspiration for that...can we say Sig 365?
The problem Glock faces is their adherence to poly/steel magazines. They arguably make great mags (tho' I'm not crazy about the poly-on-poly mag catch; hard run Glock mags will show it), but the polymer adds thickness.
The Sig's steel, tapered double stack produces a grip no wider than the Glock's single, and the current 6+1 Glock is larger overall than the 10+1 Sig.
I'd be surprised if Glock doesn't make something to counter the Sig, but it will be interesting to see what form it takes.
At a bare minimum, Glock should have long since made higher capacity magazines for the 42 and 43, even if they are only to be carried as spares.
Moon

 

[23738]

Glock?

Yawn.

They have their rabid fan base, but some people know there's better options. I don't really care if they come with a 15 round mag in a G43, they are still ugly, blocky, horrid grip, and quite frankly, I'm sick of Walther making everything look like a damned PPQ, to say nothing of that Austrian outfit making ONE gun in 652 different sizes.

Now, if Walther would give us a .357SIG and a 10mm PPQ (much less in a paddle release format) I'd probably swear on a stack of bibles taller than I am to never ***** and moan about Walther again. Yup, I said it. Walther, you hearin' me? I dare yas..

 

[surrealone]

Not real hard to figure out the inspiration for that...can we say Sig 365?
...
At a bare minimum, Glock should have long since made higher capacity magazines for the 42 and 43, even if they are only to be carried as spares.

I've wanted a G43 for a while now -- because it's one of those few duty caliber pistols whose controls are all workable in my small hands … using one hand without shifting my grip. This is uncommon, so when I find a duty caliber firearm that meets that set of criteria, I tend to buy it pronto. However, in the G43's case it would just sit in the gun locker most of the time. The P365 is a similar animal, except not only would it sit in the gun locker most of the time, but it's a firearm that's had some challenges.

Thus, I decided to wait on both -- for pricing to come down, for the P365 to get past its teething pains, and for people to finally start unloading used ones so I don't have to pay full price for something that'll mostly sit behind lock and key. I'm personally hoping the G43X helps drive the G43's pricing lower … as well as expands the used G43 market.

Glock?

Yawn.

They have their rabid fan base, but some people know there's better options. I don't really care if they come with a 15 round mag in a G43, they are still ugly, blocky, horrid grip, and quite frankly, I'm sick of Walther making everything look like a damned PPQ, to say nothing of that Austrian outfit making ONE gun in 652 different sizes.

The upside to Glocks is the absolutely absurd number of holster and aftermarket part options for them. While Glock may not be my first choice of firearm, it's absolutely the AR-15 of the modern pistol world and should be a go-to staple for anyone who likes to tinker and/or tweak.

 

[grumpy1]

The Glock 43X makes a lot of sense and Glock will see lots and lots of them. With so many states with 10 round magazine restrictions it will be really big there rather than a Glock 19 with a 10 round magazine. I am very interested in seeing and handling the Glock 43X. I hope Walther comes out with something similar in a version of the PPS. The SIG P365 is too small for me. A 10 round PPS the size of the current PPS with 7 round magazine, probably with a bit thicker magazine, would be perfect.

 

[23738]

The Glock 43X makes a lot of sense and Glock will see lots and lots of them. With so many states with 10 round magazine restrictions it will be really big there rather than a Glock 19 with a 10 round magazine. I am very interested in seeing and handling the Glock 43X. I hope Walther comes out with something similar in a version of the PPS. The SIG P365 is too small for me. A 10 round PPS the size of the current PPS with 7 round magazine, probably with a bit thicker magazine, would be perfect.

Walther, you copy this?

 

[halfmoonclip]

I followed the P365's teething troubles on the gunboards, and held off until more were in circulation and the prices came down...which they have. In our area, they are available at $499. MSRP for mags is still an outrageous $50-something, but they're to be had online for $35, shipped.
I've a 43 and a 365, and assume the latter will replace the former if it proves reliable, which it has thus far. Great trigger and sights, mild recoil with standard pressure 9s, and I have small hands.

Thunderbird', I see Glocks as tools; they're fugly, but durable and reliable. The 19 is a wonderful service pistol, and the 42 is as good as pocket guns get. If they are going to build a 10 round 43, I hope they step away from some existing technology (the poly mags in particular) and get more rounds with no greater size.
Moon

 

[Kar98]

With more states restricting magazine capacity to ten rounds, people will just ask and manufacturers will provide, compact pistols holding ten rounds in higher calibers again. My Sig/Mauser M2 is gonna come back in style! MA compliant with its 8.8 lbs DAO pull, loaded chamber indicator, manual safety, magazine disconnect, and holds only 8+1 rounds of .45 ACP.

 

[surrealone]

Walther, you copy this?

I'm not sure I'd trust a 10-round Walther produced by Umarex. I mean, just look at their history with the CCP … and the PPS M2. Not good.

If they are going to build a 10 round 43, I hope they step away from some existing technology (the poly mags in particular) and get more rounds with no greater size.

Wanna bet it's more like they start with a G26 frame and slap on a G43 slide, with only other required part tweaks and magazine adjustments? Glock is famous (notorious?) for parts reuse/interchangeability...

Surreal

 

[23738]

I'm not sure I'd trust a 10-round Walther produced by Umarex. I mean, just look at their history with the CCP … and the PPS M2. Not good.


Wanna bet it's more like they start with a G26 frame and slap on a G43 slide, with only other required part tweaks and magazine adjustments? Glock is famous (notorious?) for parts reuse/interchangeability...

Surreal

As long as Arsnberg was left the hell out of the design/construction of the pistol, I'm fine with it. Don't forget, I too had a PPS that had to go back to Fort Smith (though mine was the "BD code no reset" issue on the Classic 9mm...) and was left very happy once I got it back.

As for the Glob, I am not sure a '43 slide will fit a 26 frame..?

Thought the 42/43 was an all new design? I'm likely wrong, though..

 

[halfmoonclip]

I had a G26 and liked it; it shot far better than such a small pistol should. But it was a chopped G19/17. The resulting hybrid would still be as thick as as a fullsized Glock, even with the G43 slide.
The 42/43 are indeed a new design, one that has been copied conceptually in the Gen 5, tho' it's a different size.

Thin is the issue, and Glock doesn't do thin well with the poly mags, except in their single stack pistols.

Moon

 

[MMA10mm]

The Glock very well could be a 26 frame with a 43 slide. Glock has done this before with the Glock 30S. It would be a specific frame with narrower slide rails molded in, not just slapping the two different parts together, as obviously there are dimensional differences. However, this could be a very quick way for them to respond to the P365, without actually making something as good as the 365, dimensionally.

On the other hand, it could just be a G43 with the frame lengthened and stretched slightly. Polymer is "adjustable" very easily with just a new injection mold. The mags would be the hardest part, as they'd need new stamping dies for a new, unique magazine, which is the biggest point against this possibility.

 

[halfmoonclip]

Having never taken a hacksaw to one, it isn't clear to me how much metal is actually involved in Glock mags. Apparently the early ones were nearly all polymer, and there were issues with loaded mags bulging and feed lips distorting.
Current production is a poly/steel hybrid, with the steel to solve the above problems.
Moon

 

[surrealone]

MMA10mm used the very example (Glock 30S) I had in mind when I suggested how I suspect Glock will use parts from the G26 and G43 to bring competition to the P365 quickly without having to be particularly innovative.

 

[MMA10mm]

Having never taken a hacksaw to one, it isn't clear to me how much metal is actually involved in Glock mags. Apparently the early ones were nearly all polymer, and there were issues with loaded mags bulging and feed lips distorting.
Current production is a poly/steel hybrid, with the steel to solve the above problems.
Moon

Moon, They are "fully metal lined" (FML) now. If you were to melt the plastic off, they'd look very similar to a Sig magazine with the zig-zag up the spine of the mag.

 

[surrealone]

Looks like it's going to use a G48 magazine and have 10+1 capacity (the latter as expected).