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This has probably been asked and answered before, but I can't find it. What is the difference between the PPS/S pistols made by S&W and those being produced at Fort Smith?
 

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Ft. Smith has reputedly adopted the Smith feedramp (for hollowpoints), and of course the beavertail schnozz.
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I checked with Altamont company who makes after market grips for the PPK and PPK/S. They told me that the old S&W PPK/S grips will not fit the new Ft. Smith frame. They are working on grips for the new PPK/S and will notify me when they become available.
 

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I think of the Smith pistols as a combination of the Zella-Mehlis PPK slide and the S&W frame.

"S&W frame" given feed ramp and extended tang.
 

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As far as aesthetics are concerned, the Fort Smith PPK(/S) is better-looking than my late production S&W PPK/S due to the slide being rounded off more nicely.

I'm not sure about reliability/function since I've never shot nor handled a Fort Smith model, but then again, according to many folks here, my S&W PPK/S is the exception to the rule when it comes to reliability because it has been 100% reliable since the day I bought it, so depending on who you ask the Fort Smith model might be better by default.

I think of the Smith pistols as a combination of the Zella-Mehlis PPK slide and the S&W frame.
The ZM PPK's slide actually has a unique cut to it which doesn't taper off at the muzzle like all other PPK(/S) models which came after it.
 

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My .32 ACP S&W PPK is 100% reliable with any ammo I feed it. That was not always the case for me with ZM and Ulm pistols.
 

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PPK-S 4-Sale (S&W vsn.)

Fyi, I have posted a steal-of-a-deal price on my S&W version PPK-S in the For Sale/Trade/Buy section of the forum. :)
 

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I see everyone keeps saying the s&w frames. In reality they were built and cast by Ruger at the pine tree casing company here in NH. The older Ranger frames were also cast there.
 

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I checked with Altamont company who makes after market grips for the PPK and PPK/S. They told me that the old S&W PPK/S grips will not fit the new Ft. Smith frame. They are working on grips for the new PPK/S and will notify me when they become available.
You just saved me a couple bucks and a headache. Thanks for this!
 

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I see everyone keeps saying the s&w frames. In reality they were built and cast by Ruger at the pine tree casing company here in NH. The older Ranger frames were also cast there.
I didn't know this. I'm curious why they would outsource to a different manufacturer, building the frames in house seems to be more cost effective.

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I didn't know this. I'm curious why they would outsource to a different manufacturer, building the frames in house seems to be more cost effective.

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In an article I read, "Smith & Wesson turned to Sturm, Ruger for its casting expertise to produce the frames, which are then shipped to S&W’s plant in Houghton, Maine for final machining and assembly into complete guns."

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I'm curious why they would outsource to a different manufacturer, building the frames in house seems to be more cost effective.
Most modern firearms manufacturers are machine shops, not forges. Forging and casting is specialty work. Once that step has been completed the parts go to S&W (or whoever) for final machining, finishing, and assembly.

What is the difference between the PPS/S pistols made by S&W and those being produced at Fort Smith?
One difference that I've noticed in pictures is that the rear sight on the Ft. Smith pistols is integral with the slide like the original ZM guns. All of the S&W and Ulm pistols that I've seen are dovetailed.
 

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I see everyone keeps saying the s&w frames. In reality they were built and cast by Ruger at the pine tree casing company here in NH. The older Ranger frames were also cast there.

Entirely believable about the Smith frames, but this is the first I've heard it about the Ranger ones. Ruger was a pioneer in gunframe castings; Bill Ruger's early, overbuilt revolvers notably.

Not disputing your statement, coco', but just wondering where you heard it.


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