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two tone with threaded adapter never fired, from the actual walther factory in ulm.

the guy had it marked for 449.99$

ive had a QD for a while now, but i've always loved and wanted the original from ulm, it just melts in my hand better even though i have larger hands.

but god, 449? i could get 2 more Q's for that... or even a 5.56/.223 delton d-15

thoughts? does the two tone(which i don't even care its two toned, if i had a choice i'd go all black)/fact that it's from the real factory justify the double cost? plus the fact that they aren't made anymore... the gun is spotless condition...

:eek: :(

(i'm aware of its quote un-quote 'issues/problems')
 

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You're not going to find the "worth" answer on here.

SOMEONE will purchase it for what it is.

What's it worth to you?

FWIW, some NIB Ulm Walthers sell for over 5X MSRP after several decades.


Example......
 

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You're not going to find the "worth" answer on here.

SOMEONE will purchase it for what it is.

What's it worth to you?

FWIW, some NIB Ulm Walthers sell for over 5X MSRP after several decades.


Example......
honestly if he had it for 350 it would be in my position right now, that extra hundred bucks though... might make feel like a dummy in a week.. but in 5 decades if its price is then 1,200 i'm going to feel like an even bigger doofus.

think im going to do it, or lay-away.. ofcourse after asking him if he's got any wiggle room on the cost
 

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I'd make an offer. $400 would be better - but it may be "worth" what he's asking.

I'm not familiar with original/Ulm P22s, but they would be the way to go if you really preferred one over the PPQ.

The P22 has had "issues" over the years - not much argument on that. Some more than others. Maybe the latest models have been improved, but the problems are well documented.
 

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I'd make an offer. $400 would be better - but it may be "worth" what he's asking.

I'm not familiar with original/Ulm P22s, but they would be the way to go if you really preferred one over the PPQ.

The P22 has had "issues" over the years - not much argument on that. Some more than others. Maybe the latest models have been improved, but the problems are well documented.

forgot they made a ppq in 22lr. my delima, is i wanted to stop buying 22s, i have two and an mp15-22, felt like i had enough.. but then again i guess you can never have enough 22s.

this specific one sparked my brain because its something i have wanted for quite a while.

but i guess i could save 150 bucks and get the ppq 22 from budsgunshop and maybe that might cure the itch. or if i wanted to spend the change get a bigger cal. -considering i wanted to get something other than .22lr in the first place like a week ago

everytime i see that old p22 i just want it, can't say the same about the ppq, even though functionality wise it's probably better.

thanks

guess i'll add it to my list of things i want.



my p22 obession would probably fit with the definition of insanity IF i expected different results everytime
 

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everytime i see that old p22 i just want it, can't say the same about the ppq, even though functionality wise it's probably better.

my p22 obession would probably fit with the definition of insanity IF i expected different results everytime
I think you should make him an offer then.

Some guns just do that. I finally bought a M1A after wanting one for over 20 years. It was a lot more costly than the P22 you are considering, but I never regretted it.
 

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There is no Ulm manufactured P22 and never has been. They are all Umarex pistols and there is absolutely no reason to purchase an original just because one shows up somewhere.. The pistol has slowly gotten better and better as the years pass. Better hammer design, better trigger bar, better mags than the original, better feed ramp, thicker slide on the Q models which has almost totally eliminated cracked, captive recoil spring, small details on the inside such as a pin to hold the tiny slide hold open spring in place, additional firing pin support on the breech block, improved extractor...etc. etc. I bought a new P22 QD for $225. It ran 100% right out of the box.

Due to the slide issues....I would not even consider it. Especially at anywhere near that price. Now $100, perhaps since it does have a lifetime warranty. 1917
 

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I have several unfired P22s. If you want one, PM me.
 

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There is no Ulm manufactured P22 and never has been. They are all Umarex pistols

why is it stamped carl walther ulm Germany on the right side handgaurd under the ejector port and the other DE stamp

even the dealer was like yeah this one's from walthers actual factory, not umarex

someone scammin?

and on a side note, what about this one with smith and wesson markings + ulm germany

https://ibb.co/qdNbmsS

i've seen some with amsberg*, and others with ulm. i heard something about the original ones that came from ulm with antler proofs(ulm proof) ((not kohl)) didnt use zinc slides (or was thicker, cant remember now) and didn't have all the other jamming(or nearly as many jamming probs) or hammer probs. which is half of why i obsessed over the thing for 5 years(figuratively)

-dont answer this, i took a relatively long history lesson just now https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/p22/7574-show-me-proof-p22-made-umarex-4.html

but now i'm curious about the walthers prior to 2012 when they became a subsidiary of umarex and cancled the distro deal with s&w

welp you probably just saved me some money
 

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why is it stamped carl walther ulm Germany on the right side handgaurd under the ejector port and the other DE stamp
Good question. Honestly, Walther's markings are pretty much meaningless judging from all the contradictions over the years.

I've seen a photo that 1917 has posted of a P22 he owns marked "Ulm/DO", but apparently that doesn't necessarily mean that's where it was produced - just the company headquarters.

If 1917 says they are all the same, and later models are better, I'd go with his recommendation. I don't know of anyone more knowledgeable on the P22.
 

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I wouldn't say I have it figured out. I think around here when people refer to an Ulm produced gun they are commenting on Walther branded firearms that are steel and follow more than other models with the quality of older firearms. These would be the PPQ, P99 and PPS and they all cost more than the P22, zinc PPK/S, etc. The Umarex guns.

I don't know much about manufacturing. In the old days I see an engineering staff, drafting tables, scales, calipers....down the stairs lots of raw material, in other sections a lot a milling equipment and lines of men working on machining, drilling, filing, polishing, blueing, etc. etc.

I'm wondering about all of this with the P22. Where is the polymer grip injected? Contracted out to someone who specializes in this??? What about the MIM'd parts.....contracted out? The die cast slide. In house or out to someone who specializes in this? As far as I can tell the pistols could be put together by robots....I see no evidence of hand fitting anything. Do all of the parts eventually roll down an assembly line in Ulm or Arnsberg? Are they proofed wherever they best fit the manufacturing timing?

Walther isn't talking and I haven't been to the manufacturing plants.. I put up a link to the patent for the P22 recently. I think para two described the manufacture of the slide/frame as items of uniqueness because they were being die cast from a powdered zinc alloy which allowed a very low cost for producing the parts. There is very little machining on the P22. Most of it is plastic, MIM'd steel or cast. Is there a manufacturing/assembly plant in Ulm and one in Arnsberg? I haven't visited any of them. Who designs the PPQ-P99 and who designs the P22-PK380? 1917
 

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They want if they can, or they can if they want?

It's not as if Walther doesn't have the know-how and the technology to play around with and make anything under the sun, including the top models like this one (pictured in the thumbnail below), which is new for 2019.
 

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i wonder these questions too. you'd think people working in gun shops would know more about the guns they have in stock.. i suppose in the p22s case concerning these things you have to look past surface level to find out these questions, and even then you only have questions and not answers.

i have a beretta mod 92a1 .177 bb gun from umarex, licensed by beretta.. it's actually probably the best c02 bb gun i've ever owned (even though i've only owned 3 in 30 years). i even broke the auto/semi selector and emailed them, they sent me the part free although responding to the email took 2 and a half weeks lol.
 
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