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Stopped at my local Dunhams to look for some carry ammo, and asked to look at a Sig pistol while I was there.
The counterman was pleasant and helpful, but he needed to take my driver's license before he'd show me the gun, and then he wouldn't remove the trigger lock that all their display guns wear.


He said it was company policy, and that he couldn't remove it until I purchased the pistol.



They have a nice selection and not unreasonable prices, but how can I buy a handgun without trying the trigger?


Anyone else run into this?
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Bass Pro in Texas has been this way for years, Cabala's just started this garbage over the summer of '18.
 

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My only positive experience with Dunham's was when S&W had the big sale on Shields a year or two ago, with additional $75 rebates. Dunhams' advertised matching prices with a local family owned store, very reasonable and popular, some 25 miles away. Of course, that store was out of stock, so I tried Dunham's, and sure enough, they had the .45 Shield I wanted, and they agreed to match the advertised price, and I bought it at Dunham's without having to drive long distance (Dunhams was a wopping 4 miles away). Of course they required all kinds of BS, including being escorted out of the store where they THEN handed me the packaged up pistol. As silly and condescending as it was, I got the .45 Shield for $315 after rebate, tax included. I have found that I cannot buy anything else at Dunham's for any kind of a good deal.
 

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matquig has made a point. My usual shop had promised me a call when they got a P365 (they didn't....), and when it became common knowledge that they had them, the price was $569.

A small shop down by camp was able to get me one for $499 (and that's where I got mine), and then the local Gander had them in stock for that price as well.
Much as I prefer dealing locally (and my usual shop does give me some deals otherwise), there are times the big boxes have something that you want at a good price.
My main gripe (unless I've been able to try the gun elsewhere), how in hell can you buy a gun without trying the trigger?
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Our local cabelas has the same policy. Can't try the trigger, no matter how hard you ask. Of course I wouldn't buy a firearm from them because of the inflated prices. Now, academy sports also has trigger locks but they will remove it to try the trigger. Same with a few local gun shops. Sort of like not being able to test drive a vehicle before you buy it. Really don't understand the policy behind this. Some sort of paranoia or fear of the unknown.
 

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Sort of like not being able to test drive a vehicle before you buy it.
Back in about 1984 this was Toyota's policy during a time when sales of the econo cars were hot. The doors were locked, you could kick the tires but not even get in the car, much less test drive one. I said good luck to the salesman, you are going to need it. That dealership went out of business within two years. 1917
 

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"Really don't understand the policy behind this"
That's easy to answer, Liability lawyers! It's driving gun buyers away too.
 

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THEN handed me the packaged up pistol. As silly and condescending as it was, I got the .45 Shield for $315 after rebate, tax included. I have found that I cannot buy anything else at Dunham's for any kind of a good deal.
Same policy at Academy. KYGunCo had the .45 Shield for sale at $229. I said to myself, I will order one in the morning....by then they were gone. I did get a 9mm Shield for $229 from them. I didn't really need another .45 but at that price....I'd have gotten it. You do need some truck and work guns that are reliable but that you don't care if they get dirty or scratched. That would be polymer Shields.....mud, bottom of the boat, thrown on the floor of the truck, in a dusty holster while bushhogging....working gun. P99 is just too pretty for that. 1917
 

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Back in July, OldFart and I got escorted to the door, then handed my purchased/packaged P5, actually took it to my car placed in trunk, and went back inside.


Found it odd, I had my Q45 and 2 full mags, and I would bet OF had his Q with at least a dozen 30rd mags.


His sister was at the door with her belt fed 50BMG.
 

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My local Dunhams won't even let you hold a handgun without your DL, a concealed carry, or pistol permit. I kid you not.
Do you need these things to buy a firearm?
If yes, why would the store spend time with you if you can't actually buy?

No store here will let you see a firearm if you don't have a permit with you.

The trigger lock thing is bad. I've found most stores here will remove trigger locks, but better treat the gun as if it's as expensive and fragile as a Fabergé egg. Pull the trigger? 22lr forget it. Even if you have a snapcap with you. Centerfire? I've learned to ask what the trigger is like as the salesperson takes the pistol out of the case and removes the trigger lock. If they comment on the trigger while pulling it, go ahead and try it as well. If not ask.
Last pistol I bought I got to pull the trigger once. And the guy acted as if it was some HUGE favour.
Now why policy would be to not remove the trigger lock? Are they afraid of someone stealing the gun? Got to say would be easy to buy a magazine and ammo at one store, then go to another and ask to see the pistol.
 

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Do you need these things to buy a firearm?
If yes, why would the store spend time with you if you can't actually buy?

No store here will let you see a firearm if you don't have a permit with you.
There's not another store in our town (or most in the south) that requires a permit or even a driver's license to finger bang a pistol. They usually just ask that you don't excessive dry fire or release the slide lock on an empty chamber, which is reasonable.
 

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Deutsch', you admit to hanging out with OF? Well, okay...:eek: I've seen his flatulence pictures. You're a brave man.
Posted the same question on Glock Talk, and one respondent didn't want a gun that other customers had diddled with.

Local shops, including Gander, don't have the lock policy. When I'm in a strange shop or a gun show, I'll ask to turn a revolver or dry snap either one.
The PP who mentioned excessive dry snapping or letting the slide slam is spot on.

Also concur that there's no sin in being cavalier about some workaday guns. Glocks in particular fill that role for me. Few things, short of dragging it with a log chain, are as hard on guns as carrying them.
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Posted the same question on Glock Talk, and one respondent didn't want a gun that other customers had diddled with.
Have to admit I feel that way. But not insistent about it. If I'm presented an open box or display model to check out, I'll always ask if an unopened box is available. Then before paying, I'll open the box and check everything is there.

Of the two big stores/ranges near me, the one I'm member at will let you handle and dry fire anything. Although they'll make a big production about examining any pistol that's worth more than 1.5k and make you agree there are no scratches and examine it again when you're done. You scratch it, you bought it. And as soon as you touch something the big hard sell starts.

The other is also quite open to letting you handle anything. Except they then try to sell things like Tanfoglio's at a "discount" that barely beats the new price from the distributor and their pistol is all scratched to hell. I think the sales staff spend too much time playing with the pistols, some in the display cases look quite worn FFS.

Both have security doors that won't let you get out if they don't buzz you out. I've been to at least two stores that have kept hold of my permit while they were showing me pistols.

Maybe Dunhams has had a couple of grab and dashes. Difficult to get away with if they have your DL or other ID.
 

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Everybody's favorite boogyman.

You want a simple answer: Big Box Stupidity by management that shouldn't be in the gun business. To them it's just another product but...oooh, a dangerous one.

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When it comes to this policy, how are the lawyers not driving it?


These lawyers study how the business operates, and establishes policies/procedures to minimize responsibility, should a lawsuit be filed.


Picture this, nut job (NJ) goes in, asks to see an M9-A1, the employee hands an M9-A1 WITHOUT trigger lock to NJ after viewing identification, NJ has a half dozen 20 round mags on him, and proceeds to shoot up the store, killing several employees/customers. Who gets hit with the most lawsuits? Clue, think "deep pockets"!


Now run the same incident again, but with a trigger lock on the M9-A1.


You still think the Liability Lawyer is JUST a boogeyman in this?
 

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Oh, the lawyers are in the loop, combined with over thinking about how the lawyers might end up further in the loop by excessively cautious management...a management that only knows about selling widgets.

This fear of litigation, whether reasonable or not, is clogging the works of our nation.
I was happy that Dunhams didn't bend to the will of the mob and stop selling ARs, but this policy is just goofy.
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In my experience the LAST people that business takes advice from are their lawyers, and only after they're deep trouble. Has anyone heard of a Dunham's or Cabella's being shot up by a putative customer? I think it is equally probable that these silly initiatives are responses to pressure from their insurance carriers, or from their bank lenders, who in turn are subject to endless agitation from gun-control activists. How else do you explain the anti-gun behavior of CitiBank or Dick's?

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