I went from a Glock 42 to my CCP M2 with no major issues. It is much more accurate than the G42, the sights on the Glock are notoriously not the best. But, I’ll be changing out the CCP sights to trijicon sights soon to make it even better. The only ammo it has had problems with is some cheap stuff my husband got for me...otherwise it eats everything I put through it. It’s easy to carry in my Vedder kydex holster...even with a skirt, I usually forget I’m carrying it. I have arthritis in both hands, but it’s worse in my left...and I have to say, the CCP is great for someone like me. It fits my hand(s) to a T. I have no trouble cleaning it either. The trigger gets better every time I shoot it, either in dry fire practice or taking it to the range.
Considering a CCP M2, thoughts?
I have a PPS M2 and like it, also have a Glock 43 & 42 so I’m covered for CCW, but I have a few issues with each. I’m not as accurate with the G43 as I would like to be, it’s ok but it could be better. I’m more accurate with the PPS but again could be better. A lot of this seems to be the grip dimensions.
I shot a friend’s CCP and really like it, both ergonomics and accuracy. It seems to fit my hand perfectly and I’m ok with the small increase in width of slide. I would keep the PPS in rotation for summer IWB carry but would be looking to add the CCP to OWB carry with a light for rest of the year.
So let me hear it...good idea, bad idea? I’ve heard the reliability issues and it seems hit or miss and also seems like some might be caused by converted M1 models into M2 by Walther. The CCP also seems to prefer 124 gr ammo, which is also fine, as that is what I normally shoot.
Also, with the shorter barrel and pic rail, what lights fit well? I have an Olight PL Mini taking up space in my safe I was considering using, if it fits. I also have an Inforce APLc.
I shot a friend’s CCP and really like it, both ergonomics and accuracy. It seems to fit my hand perfectly and I’m ok with the small increase in width of slide. I would keep the PPS in rotation for summer IWB carry but would be looking to add the CCP to OWB carry with a light for rest of the year.
So let me hear it...good idea, bad idea? I’ve heard the reliability issues and it seems hit or miss and also seems like some might be caused by converted M1 models into M2 by Walther. The CCP also seems to prefer 124 gr ammo, which is also fine, as that is what I normally shoot.
Also, with the shorter barrel and pic rail, what lights fit well? I have an Olight PL Mini taking up space in my safe I was considering using, if it fits. I also have an Inforce APLc.
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Thanks for the honest feedback...obviously it’s a little concerning when there are a number of threads discussing issues with a particular firearm
You really should consider a ppq. It's the top of the walther line. They even make a ppq sub compact if you need a small gun.I have a PPS M2 and like it, also have a Glock 43 & 42 so I’m covered for CCW, but I have a few issues with each. I’m not as accurate with the G43 as I would like to be, it’s ok but it could be better. I’m more accurate with the PPS but again could be better. A lot of this seems to be the grip dimensions.
I shot a friend’s CCP and really like it, both ergonomics and accuracy. It seems to fit my hand perfectly and I’m ok with the small increase in width of slide. I would keep the PPS in rotation for summer IWB carry but would be looking to add the CCP to OWB carry with a light for rest of the year.
So let me hear it...good idea, bad idea? I’ve heard the reliability issues and it seems hit or miss and also seems like some might be caused by converted M1 models into M2 by Walther. The CCP also seems to prefer 124 gr ammo, which is also fine, as that is what I normally shoot.
Also, with the shorter barrel and pic rail, what lights fit well? I have an Olight PL Mini taking up space in my safe I was considering using, if it fits. I also have an Inforce APLc.
Sentinel,
You have probably received an email by now, but your PPS M2 may be under a recall by Walther. The affected serial numbers have already been posted in the forum.
You have probably received an email by now, but your PPS M2 may be under a recall by Walther. The affected serial numbers have already been posted in the forum.
Yeah I got the email yesterday mine will be going back based on the numbers in the email. I’m going to call them Monday to make sure and also make arrangements if it is affected
To the OP. I switched from a S&W M&P Shield 9mm to the CCP M2 and couldn't be happier. It's easier to rack, noticeably more accurate in my hands and the ergonomics are second to none.
I know that there had been jamming issues and I think the mags drop out of some of the original CCP's so I waited for several months to see if those issues had been addressed in the M2 version . When I didn't see any complaints about the new M2 I went ahead and purchased it. So far no problems. My best friend also bought one and he has shot his much more extesively than I have shot mine and he has had zero problems.
The only issues that I have had is the plastic end piece on the striker spring comes off pretty easily when breaking the gun down. It's red so it is easy to find but I hope Walther makes a new end piece that fits tighter. Upgrading that end cap should be easy for them and it couldn't cost more than a few pennies a piece to manufacture them. Even if you loose it the gun will still fire but I wouldn't run it for long without it. It's basically a guide for the "armed indicator pin" that shows through the firing block when the gun is hot. With that it's possible but not likely that the indicator might get bound up in the spring without that guide.
So, so far I am super pleased with the CCP M2. Looks to me like a real keeper.
Like someone else said, you might want to also look at the PPQ subcompact. That's a nice pistol in my opinion. With an extended mag it converts easily from a concealed carry pistol to home defense in a hurry and the extended mag is made to fit and look cosmetically like it was a part of basic model. With the PPQ SC model you also get the legendary PPQ quality trigger. Hard to beat that.
The CCP M2 is my first Walther but it is such a nice weapon that it has really enamored my feelings for the entire brand.
I know that there had been jamming issues and I think the mags drop out of some of the original CCP's so I waited for several months to see if those issues had been addressed in the M2 version . When I didn't see any complaints about the new M2 I went ahead and purchased it. So far no problems. My best friend also bought one and he has shot his much more extesively than I have shot mine and he has had zero problems.
The only issues that I have had is the plastic end piece on the striker spring comes off pretty easily when breaking the gun down. It's red so it is easy to find but I hope Walther makes a new end piece that fits tighter. Upgrading that end cap should be easy for them and it couldn't cost more than a few pennies a piece to manufacture them. Even if you loose it the gun will still fire but I wouldn't run it for long without it. It's basically a guide for the "armed indicator pin" that shows through the firing block when the gun is hot. With that it's possible but not likely that the indicator might get bound up in the spring without that guide.
So, so far I am super pleased with the CCP M2. Looks to me like a real keeper.
Like someone else said, you might want to also look at the PPQ subcompact. That's a nice pistol in my opinion. With an extended mag it converts easily from a concealed carry pistol to home defense in a hurry and the extended mag is made to fit and look cosmetically like it was a part of basic model. With the PPQ SC model you also get the legendary PPQ quality trigger. Hard to beat that.
The CCP M2 is my first Walther but it is such a nice weapon that it has really enamored my feelings for the entire brand.
Congrats on your first Walther. I'm guessing it won't be your last.To the OP. I switched from a S&W M&P Shield 9mm to the CCP M2 and couldn't be happier. It's easier to rack, noticeably more accurate in my hands and the ergonomics are second to none.
I know that there had been jamming issues and I think the mags drop out of some of the original CCP's so I waited for several months to see if those issues had been addressed in the M2 version . When I didn't see any complaints about the new M2 I went ahead and purchased it. So far no problems. My best friend also bought one and he has shot his much more extesively than I have shot mine and he has had zero problems.
The only issues that I have had is the plastic end piece on the striker spring comes off pretty easily when breaking the gun down. It's red so it is easy to find but I hope Walther makes a new end piece that fits tighter. Upgrading that end cap should be easy for them and it couldn't cost more than a few pennies a piece to manufacture them. Even if you loose it the gun will still fire but I wouldn't run it for long without it. It's basically a guide for the "armed indicator pin" that shows through the firing block when the gun is hot. With that it's possible but not likely that the indicator might get bound up in the spring without that guide.
So, so far I am super pleased with the CCP M2. Looks to me like a real keeper.
Like someone else said, you might want to also look at the PPQ subcompact. That's a nice pistol in my opinion. With an extended mag it converts easily from a concealed carry pistol to home defense in a hurry and the extended mag is made to fit and look cosmetically like it was a part of basic model. With the PPQ SC model you also get the legendary PPQ quality trigger. Hard to beat that.
The CCP M2 is my first Walther but it is such a nice weapon that it has really enamored my feelings for the entire brand.
The early stories of the CCP were indeed troubling. This is not scientific or anything but it does seem we are hearing more reports from satisfied owners and fewer from disappointed ones these days.
I just ordered CCP M2; waiting for it to show at my FFL...looking forward to it.
Please let us know how it's going with the gun once you get a chance to shoot it.I just ordered CCP M2; waiting for it to show at my FFL...looking forward to it.
While I was shopping for a subcompact last year I handled the Walther CCP and was sold on it immediatley. Easy to operate, decent sights and the ergonomics were the best I had ever seen. However a friend of mine who works at the store told me that it had releiablilty issues so I bought the S&W M&P>Congrats on your first Walther. I'm guessing it won't be your last.
The early stories of the CCP were indeed troubling. This is not scientific or anything but it does seem we are hearing more reports from satisfied owners and fewer from disappointed ones these days.
The S&W M&P Shield turned out to be a mismatch. It's too hard to rack, not that accurate in my hands and the slide release is not a release but a lock. It takes two hands to release the slide. Then the CCP M2 was released and I waited to hear if there were any reliabilty issues and after for months of not hearing anything I bought the M2 version. Of course I love it. No reliabity problems although I will say that I think this gun merits concientous cleaning. The blowback system dirties up this pistol rathher quickly. It still fires but it gets noticeably dirty quickly.
So, this is my first expereince with a Walther pistol but it has been overwhelmingly positive and, at this point I would defintily consider another Walther in the future. Up until that I had considered the H&K Vp9 SK as jsut about the perfect 9mm subcompact. After looking at the Walther PPQ SC I have changed my mind. One of these dasy I will buy one.
I look forward to hearing your opinions once you fire the gun.I just ordered CCP M2; waiting for it to show at my FFL...looking forward to it.
A word of caution. There is a black or red plastic disc on the end of the firing pin spring that you will see when you break it down. In some cases this can fly off of that spring and is difficult to find. Suprisingly it won't fly far in most cases but it is worth paying attention to.
Othersie, the gun is easy to operate and you quickly get used to re-inserting the soft recoil piston in it's chamber. Other than that you should be good to go.
Congtratualtions to you on getting the new CCP M2.
I shoot Fiocchi 124gr JHP's. I'm very pleased with mine.
Thanks! I will post once I have a chance for range time. I appreciate the cautionary note...that could save me some time looking for flying parts.
Just picked it up from the FFL...broke it down to pre clean before firing. Definitely a little more fiddly to break down, but very logical. thanks for the warning about the little washer on the end of the striker spring. Seems very well made. Now I need to get to the range.
First impressions shooting the Walther CCP
I took the CCP M.2 to the range on Sun. It took me a little while to get use to aiming a shorter barrel firearm. My other pistols have barrels an inch or so longer. Once I got used to it, it was very nice to shoot. Recoil was very reasonable and had no more recoil than my larger and longer barrel XDM9. It fits my hand well. I put about 150 rounds through it, with some breaks to fire another pistol It never got overly warm from the gas system. I shot Sig 365 ammo.
Pretty easy to clean afterwards...I appreciate the warning on this forum about not losing the small washer on the spring.
I am thinking of putting on a fiber optic front sight....is it as easy to change as it appears; just use the hex wrench which came with the pistol?
Anyway, so far, thumbs up on this purchase.
I took the CCP M.2 to the range on Sun. It took me a little while to get use to aiming a shorter barrel firearm. My other pistols have barrels an inch or so longer. Once I got used to it, it was very nice to shoot. Recoil was very reasonable and had no more recoil than my larger and longer barrel XDM9. It fits my hand well. I put about 150 rounds through it, with some breaks to fire another pistol It never got overly warm from the gas system. I shot Sig 365 ammo.
Pretty easy to clean afterwards...I appreciate the warning on this forum about not losing the small washer on the spring.
I am thinking of putting on a fiber optic front sight....is it as easy to change as it appears; just use the hex wrench which came with the pistol?
Anyway, so far, thumbs up on this purchase.
jumf421 - Good to hear you got out to the range to try out your new CCP M2. Glad you liked it.
I've seen where reviewers have claimed that the gun, if fired enough, will get hot. That seems reasonable enough with that blowback system but in truth I've never experienced that. The most I've shot through it at one time was 160 rounds. I wasn't particularly rapid firing it and since I was out with my son-in-law and our grandson and eveyone wanted to take a turn or two on it we were shooting at a pretty casual rate. I am sure if I tried to heat it up I probably could but under normal shooting conditions no problem.
The only other suggestion I have is that you might want to try Sentry Solutions dry film lubricant. I switched to that as a way of minimizing the residue that the blowback system can leave. Once it dries nothing wil stick to it. I haven't shot mine a lot since switching over so I don't know how good it may be but I have a very good feeling about his stuff. One guy on YouTube says all he does to claen his gun is blow out the debris with compressed air. I don't know about that but it seems possible. The ultimate test for that would be if I ever shoot it enough at one time to get it dirty enugh too jam. If you can blow it out with a can of compressed air and clean it enough to get it working again that woudl be nice. Anyhow, I think its a good lubricant for the CCP M2 and worthy of looking into.
Anyhow, good luck with you new psitol and let us know how it is going as you shoot it more.
I've seen where reviewers have claimed that the gun, if fired enough, will get hot. That seems reasonable enough with that blowback system but in truth I've never experienced that. The most I've shot through it at one time was 160 rounds. I wasn't particularly rapid firing it and since I was out with my son-in-law and our grandson and eveyone wanted to take a turn or two on it we were shooting at a pretty casual rate. I am sure if I tried to heat it up I probably could but under normal shooting conditions no problem.
The only other suggestion I have is that you might want to try Sentry Solutions dry film lubricant. I switched to that as a way of minimizing the residue that the blowback system can leave. Once it dries nothing wil stick to it. I haven't shot mine a lot since switching over so I don't know how good it may be but I have a very good feeling about his stuff. One guy on YouTube says all he does to claen his gun is blow out the debris with compressed air. I don't know about that but it seems possible. The ultimate test for that would be if I ever shoot it enough at one time to get it dirty enugh too jam. If you can blow it out with a can of compressed air and clean it enough to get it working again that woudl be nice. Anyhow, I think its a good lubricant for the CCP M2 and worthy of looking into.
Anyhow, good luck with you new psitol and let us know how it is going as you shoot it more.
First impressions shooting the Walther CCP
Thanks for the suggestion re the Sentry Solutions lube. In firing the 150 rounds, it did not get very dirty, but I cleaned it anyway. As you say, it does not get that hot when firing. I suppose if I fired 4 or 5 magazines in a row, it might, but I fired 3 magazines, then reloaded and heat was not an issue.
Thanks for the suggestion re the Sentry Solutions lube. In firing the 150 rounds, it did not get very dirty, but I cleaned it anyway. As you say, it does not get that hot when firing. I suppose if I fired 4 or 5 magazines in a row, it might, but I fired 3 magazines, then reloaded and heat was not an issue.
Good thread! I own a PPQ M2 and a P99c, and was looking for something a little smaller for CC. In the interim, I purchased a XD-E.
My CC requirements are simple, (a) needs to be reliable (PPQ, P99c, XD-E), and (b) must have either a manual external safety or it can be placed into DA mode (now down to P99c & XD-E). I keep hearing people say the best safety is between the ears, and all you have to do is keep your finger off the trigger. But I also saw the video of the federal agent who shot himself in the foot giving a firearm safety video. That was with no pressure. What happens if someone is shooting at you?
I fell in love with the CCP when I first started reading about it, long before it hit the market. Then I started reading about all of the internal "fit and finish" issues and the operation problems, and held back. Then I read that if you got one of the higher serial numbers, you would most likely be clear of problems. Oh, the original also needed a break down tool. OK, I guess I don't really need it after all...
Then the M2 hits the market and it sounds like the reliability issues have been corrected and it can be disassembled for cleaning without a separate tool. Since it has an external manual safety, it also fits my CC criteria. Love what I've read about accuracy too. It sounds like it has finally evolved into the pistol I hoped it would eventually become. Really think this will be my next firearm purchase.
My CC requirements are simple, (a) needs to be reliable (PPQ, P99c, XD-E), and (b) must have either a manual external safety or it can be placed into DA mode (now down to P99c & XD-E). I keep hearing people say the best safety is between the ears, and all you have to do is keep your finger off the trigger. But I also saw the video of the federal agent who shot himself in the foot giving a firearm safety video. That was with no pressure. What happens if someone is shooting at you?
I fell in love with the CCP when I first started reading about it, long before it hit the market. Then I started reading about all of the internal "fit and finish" issues and the operation problems, and held back. Then I read that if you got one of the higher serial numbers, you would most likely be clear of problems. Oh, the original also needed a break down tool. OK, I guess I don't really need it after all...
Then the M2 hits the market and it sounds like the reliability issues have been corrected and it can be disassembled for cleaning without a separate tool. Since it has an external manual safety, it also fits my CC criteria. Love what I've read about accuracy too. It sounds like it has finally evolved into the pistol I hoped it would eventually become. Really think this will be my next firearm purchase.
The CCP M2 is an easy to love pistol. It has class leading ergonomics, it's easy to operate and it's accurate.Good thread! I own a PPQ M2 and a P99c, and was looking for something a little smaller for CC. In the interim, I purchased a XD-E.
My CC requirements are simple, (a) needs to be reliable (PPQ, P99c, XD-E), and (b) must have either a manual external safety or it can be placed into DA mode (now down to P99c & XD-E). I keep hearing people say the best safety is between the ears, and all you have to do is keep your finger off the trigger. But I also saw the video of the federal agent who shot himself in the foot giving a firearm safety video. That was with no pressure. What happens if someone is shooting at you?
I fell in love with the CCP when I first started reading about it, long before it hit the market. Then I started reading about all of the internal "fit and finish" issues and the operation problems, and held back. Then I read that if you got one of the higher serial numbers, you would most likely be clear of problems. Oh, the original also needed a break down tool. OK, I guess I don't really need it after all...
Then the M2 hits the market and it sounds like the reliability issues have been corrected and it can be disassembled for cleaning without a separate tool. Since it has an external manual safety, it also fits my CC criteria. Love what I've read about accuracy too. It sounds like it has finally evolved into the pistol I hoped it would eventually become. Really think this will be my next firearm purchase.
The only thing I don't like that much is the long reset distance. I am sure that is due to it's self defense design but with a nice pistol that is as accurate as the CCP M2 it would be nice if it was more like the rest of the Walther firearms.
I agree with you about thumb safeties. Anyone who says that it is better to use the built in safety in your your brain needs both a brain and a thumb safety in the worst way. If you don't want to use it you can always turn it off but I wouldn't recommend that.
Good lucjk to you on your CCP M2 purchase.
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