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All,
New to the forum here so first off, hello everyone!
I have a question, I am going to purchase my P99 within the next couple of days and I am a bit confused. I keep seeing things about the different models of the P99 and the changes that they are going through. I like the model where the first shot is DA and each shot after is SA. The way I understand it is that I don't have to have the striker cocked for the first shot at all.
If I am understanding the operation correctly as above what model of the P99 should I be looking for?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Also would anyone here be able to tell me what model P99 a certain gun is by the first 3 digits of the serial #?

Thanks again
Adam
 

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http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/WaltherP99FAQ/

Guys, I'm going to take a stab at this, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Early models:
P99 - DA/SA
P990 - DAO

Newer Models:
P99 AS - DA/SA
P99 DAO - DAO - Long and heavy pull
P99 QA - Quick Action - Glock Like

Note that the AS is supposedly going to stop being imported.

In 2004, the frame changed a bit. So the newer guns look a little different.

So, it looks like you want the original model of the P99 or an AS model.
 

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Perfect!
That's exactly the info I was looking for.
Thank you
And thanks for the link
Adam
 

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BTW,

I went to the gun store to buy a QA. I left with an AS.
I think they are making a mistake by stopping the importation of those.
If I had the money I would buy another one right now.
 

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Quote[/b] (autospike @ April 28 2005,1:45)]BTW,

I went to the gun store to buy a QA.  I left with an AS.
I think they are making a mistake by stopping the importation of those.
If I had the money I would buy another one right now.
I too am disapointed that S&W is going to stop importing the AS model, but if you're looking at it from the perspective of the marketing folks at S&W it makes more sense. They are trying to get a bigger piece of Glocks business and to do that they need to sell a gun that adresses the things that appeal to Glock buyers. So they are going to try to push the QA trigger models as an alternative to "combat tupperware". Hopefully when the P99 catches on they'll bring it back.
 

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autospike, I think they are going to stop importing the DAO/p990 model and not the AS. That is what is stated in the P99 FAQ link you posted (great source of P99 information) and I recall reading that in a few other places which I cannot remember where now.
 

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Quote[/b] (happygunowner @ April 28 2005,5:56)]autospike, I think they are going to stop importing the DAO/p990 model and not the AS. That is what is stated in the P99 FAQ link you posted (great source of P99 information) and I recall reading that in a few other places which I cannot remember where now.
Hmmm, common forum 'wisdom' is that it is indeed the AS that's getting discontinued. Then again you know how reliable forum wisdom is
 

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I understood that only Earls was going to import the AS...
We will find out soon, however they decide to do it...
 

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It's the AS that will no longer be imported by Walther America (a.k.a. S&W). Here is what Dr Lunde (co-author of the FAQ page) posted about it on the Sig Forum:

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Quote[/b] ]Carl Walther, the manufacturer in Germany, is not ceasing production of the AS (Anti Stress) versions, but apparently Walther America (aka, Smith & Wesson) will import only the QA (Quick Action) versions starting this year. Note that Earl's Repair Service is importing their own P99s and P99 Compacts, and all of them are the AS version. So, it looks like you'll still be able to buy AS versions, but at the expense of the premium at which Earl charges.
If anybody knows Walther, it's Dr. Lunde! I think it's confirmed by the fact that the AS model is getting very difficult to find now -- and when you do, expect to pay $600+. I suspect that when Earl's becomes the sole source, you can change that figure to $800!

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Oh rats, that is a real shame. I hoped I was wrong and I guess I am
That is the gun that made my mind about getting P99 when I rented one (the "regular" P99 before they called it the AS). I ended up with a QA and really like it other than a bit of slide play I am concerned about. I wonder if it is possible to change a P99 QA to a P99 AS with just part # 32 (Fire control assembly).
 

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I live under 10 miles away from Earls... Maybe I'll take a ride over there today and talk to him.
I'll let you all know what I find out.
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Well,
According to Earl... Every Walther America gun aka. Smith and Wesson are nothing but pure junk. He didn't seem to know nor care what Smith is doing or going to do with the import of the P99. He did tell me that he was going to continue to import all the standard P99 models. If I had the extra $799 - $999 laying around I might consider getting one of his guns. For now I think I will have to settle for the Smith and Wesson imported "junk". So it's going to be the AS model for me..
Thanks for all your help
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Living in MA, you may have a problem but there are still a few AS models out there where I live. My dealer had another one for $600. If you want one in 9mm, OnPoint is listing some for $540. There's also another outfit at www.waltherclearinghouse.com that lists the AS for $593. I've never dealt with them but when I asked they told me they were all 2004 models. Don't know if they have them in stock -- just what it says on their web site.

Good luck!

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Quote[/b] (P99OD @ April 30 2005,8:59)]Well,
According to Earl... Every Walther America gun aka. Smith and Wesson are nothing but pure junk. He didn't seem to know nor care what Smith is doing or going to do with the import of the P99. -Adam

Ahh, Earl, those that have read through this board know to take what he says as with a grain of salt.  He's been known to say whatever he needs to to make a sale.  As for the guns, espeically the P99, I'm not sure how the WaltherAmerica ones can be crap when they're made in the same German factory that Earl imports his from...

I fiddled with a QA in the store a few days ago, and although I have an AS and really love the trigger configuration, the QA has some benefits going for it.  The constant trigger pull, for example, and although I didn't like the '04 stylings at first, I really am starting to like them!  Since I'm in the market for a 9mm, I don't know that I'd mind having a QA, just so its different from its .40 SW older brother.

Anyhoo, you'll pay a lot more going through Earl, and from a guy whose been known to lie on occasion to his customers, I'm not sure that I'd give him my money...  Just my $ .02.

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Guns, cars, whatever; people are brand conscious. Little things make them think one is gold and the other tin. Practically every make in the GM brand has a parallel in another, but some would never buy a Chevrolet, when that can get the Buick model. Same general chassis, identical frame, engine, transmission, etc, etc. Yet one is junk and the other perfect.

What is really interesting is that people don't even realize that the Ford Taurus and Mercury Sable, for example, share more than 95% of their parts, and when they find out, they still think one is inherantly better than the other.

Human nature. The key is to look beyond that psychological barrier and then at the facts.

Personally, I am not a S&W guy. I have not found them to have the little deatils that appeal to me. I would not categorize them as junk, though.
 

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I quess Earl would have us beleive that at the Walther factory the rejects go to S&W and the good ones come to him. Nice try Earl, except for one little thing, "THE PROOF MARKS"
 

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Agree completely regarding Earls, take what he says with a grain of salt. His prices are outragious to the point of being insulting to any knowledgeable consumer and most reputable proprietors are more cautious about bad mouthing other souces of goods. If you reside in the area, try Four Seasons Gun Shop http://www.fsguns.com/ in Woburn, I purchased my P99 from Carl, the owner, he is much better to do business with than Earls. I would not go back to Earls hole in the wall shop in a garage if he was giving merchandise away free, he just does not conduct himself in an up front mannner that instills trust.
 

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I agree... Four Seasons is great. The folks are knowledgeable and their prices just can't be beaten. I already had it in my mind to do business with F.S. But I just thought for the hell of it I would take a trip over to Earls just to see what he had. I like you won't go back.

Adam
 
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