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Hey, y'all. Wondering if I could get a few opinions on a pistol for for a small handed female to conceal carry? She has a S&W .32 revolver now but says it's too heavy in her pocketbook :rolleyes:. Between the CCP or PPS, which pistol do you think would be a better choice for her to carry? She is a smaller woman with little hands and the bigger handled pistols leave her feeling like she doesn't have a good hold on it. Thank you in advance for any help.
 

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The lady in question should spend some time with each pistol, of course this involves shooting them, not merely looking at them and holding them. ;)

I'd choose the PPS first, but then, I'm biased and have read too many threads about problematic units here and other places.

The PPS is probably a little heavier, but I've never had issue with my .40, and the time my 9mm crapped the bunk was due to bad parts. Walther's CS hooked me up bigger n' ship
 

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The lady in question should spend some time with each pistol, of course this involves shooting them, not merely looking at them and holding them. ;)
Good advice here.

I have small hands with short fingers and have to trouble operating my PPS M2.
 

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She might not like either. The SIG P365 is another small lightweight option.
 

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My first thought is that assuming your wife is carrying a small revolver wither posit you mention is going to be much heavier. a 38 sp J frame revolver.is going to weigh in at about 15 to 16 ounces unloaded. Both of the Walther models you mention are going to weight 21 to 22 ounces unloaded.

I have a PPS M2. It is an excellent gun, but even though the grip is only 1inch wide it is not small in the hand because it has to accommodate a magazine. The differences in specs between the PPS M2 and the CCP M2 are almost insignificant. My purchase research led me to believe that the PPS M2 was the better choice. It accommodate either a 6, 7, or 8 round magazine and the 6 round is the lightest and smallest configuration.

Another factor is racking the slide of the pistol. If you know the proper method it is not an issue for the average person, but small hands might make it harder. While I would recommend she shoot each gun at range that has them as rentals, I think you should first compare them at a Walther dealer. No point in renting them if they do not fit her hand and she cannot rack them.

The link below leads to the Walther catalog for 2019. The specs of the CCP M2 and PPS M2 are therein. You will see they are near identical. Both are very good guns. Best of luck in your search for the right gun.

https://waltherarms.com/catalog/WALTHER-2019-CATALOG.pdf

Just thought os a possible alternative. Look at the specs for a Walther PPK in 380 ACP. Much smaller gun than the others and a better self defnse round than the 32 she is carrying.
 

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I know this is a Walther forum, and specifically the CCP sub forum, but when the PPS and the CCP came out, the Sig P238/938/Kimber Micro/Micro 9 and the Sig P365 didn't exist yet, all of which have several advantages of the PPS and CCP, as in size and/or capacity.
 

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The lady in question should spend some time with each pistol, of course this involves shooting them, not merely looking at them and holding them. ;)

I'd choose the PPS first, but then, I'm biased and have read too many threads about problematic units here and other places.

The PPS is probably a little heavier, but I've never had issue with my .40, and the time my 9mm crapped the bunk was due to bad parts. Walther's CS hooked me up bigger n' ship

Thunderbird has it right. She should really shoot a few small pistols and see what she likes.

It's like running shoes. You have to try them on and see how they feel.

The point someone made about the J frame revolver weights. The weights very depending on the material they are constructed off, barrel length and profile. You easily get 20-23 ounces with a steel frame.

I have no idea exactly which model the lady carries but am just pointing out the steel framed versions are quite a bit heavier than the alloy models.
 

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She might not like either. The SIG P365 is another small lightweight option.
You do yourself and your wife a disservice if you don't let her try a P365.

My wife love hers and I carry my P365XL everyday. Now my daughter is going to start carrying again and it's going to be the P365 she shot today. ;)
 

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You do yourself and your wife a disservice if you don't let her try a P365.

My wife love hers and I carry my P365XL everyday. Now my daughter is going to start carrying again and it's going to be the P365 she shot today. ;)

I don't even like pistols in the size range of the P365, yet after shooting yours, would consider it for my EDC.
 
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I don't even like pistols in the size range of the P365, yet after shooting yours, would consider it for my EDC.
I've shot a couple of different P365s and liked the experience. Sig did a great job of producing a 10+1 format gun in the smallest possible package while still being highly shootable.

Still...I still have some lingering doubts over the durability of the gun. I want to be wrong and I'm sure it's getting better. I'm a believer in training with your carry gun. Train until its effective use at speed is instinctive.

Reading reviews where someone says they have "over 200 rounds without an issue" doesnt really inspire much confidence. I call that Tuesday evening.

Tell me I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. Lol
 

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Just to be a little different.... I would recommend a Ruger LCR in .38 or 9mm (if she can find one!) It is very light weight... In an ankle glove holster, I often forget it is even there.... With light loads it is comfortable and concealable....not to mention familure manual of Arms..... Point and click!
 

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Tell me I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. Lol
Okay you're wrong. :p

800+ through mine and it's a 3/2018 gun. NO issues.

Carry Trainer has "thousands" of rounds through his - yes, he did have one that the striker broke on - he's been very vocal about that - BUT he still loves the gun, and carries and shoots the "snot" out of his. Now he's carrying the P365XL too.
 

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You should discuss with her the carrying of a round in the chamber... and wether a manual safety is desired or not. I advocate for manual safeties because I want an on/off switch that says “gun will fire vs gun won’t fire” and that is the manual of arms for me. And, of course an unloaded chamber is not a good answer. Love my CCP - never had any issue.


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Thank you all for the replies and wonderful information to take into consideration. I have the Walther catalog and have studied it fairly well hence narrowing it down to the PPS vs. CCP within offerings from Walther. I agree she should fire whatever pistol she initially thinks will work to confirm it will indeed be the right pistol for her to carry. Having no experience with either model is why I figured I would ask the folks in the know. IMO, whatever model or brand one chooses, it should feel good in the hand from the first time it's gripped. Not to take anything away from any well-made firearm but some pistols just don't fit well in all hands. The Beretta 92FS that I just had to have is a good example (thank you Lethal Weapon and Die Hard although I think those were Model 92F's but I digress). Got the pistol, tickled to still have it all these years later and have never really liked it. Great pistol, shoots wonderfully, but never felt as good in my hand as any Walther or Colt 1911. Y'all have given me a great deal of things to think about and share with the (oops) my wife. Thank you, again.
 

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Fit is the touch-stone. . . In 380: G42 is light and needs trigger work; Sig P238 fits some women very well and the controls are right for someone who shoots 1911. Small 9mm: Glock G43 with trigger work; out of stock LC9s Pro or the simple replacement from Ruger; Sig P365 is on the heavy end, but if one practices is expected to be most accurate (can have with or without thumb safety - great sights); and the best fit of all small 9mm is the VP9SK with multiple grip adjustments and good trigger when one replaces a few parts with H&K parts (need to try combinations - will find one set that is just right). PPQ-SC is not recommended as it has only two grip choices (too big and too small). PPS-M2 seems too large and heavy, but I use one in belt holster. CCP-m2 also is nice, but probably too heavy.
Most easy to shoot and rack is M&P EZ in 380 - but it is probably too large for most women to carry.
Next to grip fit, ability to rack and operate the controls (including changing magazines) needs to be checked. I worked up - with a lot of effort - a Springfield 3.3 in 9mm to where the trigger and racking were acceptable for a female IDPA competitor only eventually to have the pistol rejected because of difficulty changing magazines.

If she likes shooting, I guess she will love the P365. Mac with several women clients
 

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It took me the better part of a year to try various guns, calibers before I finally found the right one for me. I kept a spread sheet of the pros/cons of each gun accompanied by other notes. I have average size hands. My problem was not having much hand strength. I finally settled on the Sig Sauer P238 .380. I love it! I can rack it, take it apart, clean it, all with no problems. I also have a Walther CCP. I can shoot it & rack it just fine. I do NOT have the hand strength to take it apart for cleaning due to the extremely poor design. Even the big burly guys at 2 gun ranges have a hard time with it. I called Walther & spoke with a technician who told me how easy it was to take apart while talking down to me like I was imagining the difficulty! I am going to sell it & NEVER buy another Walther product. Hope this helps your lady!
 

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LOL. Another troll who hit on the google keyword "CCP" and judges a brand by it's most talked about and problematic pistol.

If you read this, arthouse, try the PPS or even the PPQc. Worlds different in quality than the CCP. Fact.

As to the thread subject, carry on...:rolleyes:
 

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Thank you all for your input. I really appreciate the information. She saw the PK380 over my shoulder while I was on the website and, because she saw it in pink...Geez...she wants to check that one out. I don't see it offered in the catalog, though. I do like the double action feature and the price point of the PK380 but I have no experience with that particular pistol.
@arthouse . I hate that you had a negative experience with both the pistol and the customer service representative. I have had nothing but positive experiences with both my entire life. I would hope you would reconsider owning a Walther product. As a lifelong Walther customer, I can state with no reservation or uncertainty that they make a fine, world class, top-shelf product. Thank you for your reply. I appreciate you sharing your experience with me.
 
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