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OK, here is a question for you PHD gun designers. Why is there a hump in the connector that makes that awful snag when cycling the slide? Why is it more pronounced when the striker is cocked? The sear should be holding the striker and the safety should be free to move easily just like when the striker isn't cocked. What am I missing? Is the safety holding the striker just rearward of the sear so pressure from the striker makes it harder to bump the safety up? I'll just go on record here and say....I don't like it. M1911
 

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I don't even have a BS, of course I have been accused of being full of it:D, but I will attempt to identify and address that question. I thought that you and I had determine the safety was in fact holding the striker at least in part based on the pressure I had to apply to depress it and allow the striker to move forward. However, just because YOU asked, and you are the head professor, I will revisit that.:D
 

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Trying to get a design ready for a 3PM client meeting so am pretty busy at present. I like putting things off to the last minute....Actually this client keeps asking for new items to be added. The last one is a screened in porch and double sided fireplace. That changes about everything in the patio area. M1911
 

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Trying to get a design ready for a 3PM client meeting so am pretty busy at present. I like putting things off to the last minute....Actually this client keeps asking for new items to be added. The last one is a screened in porch and double sided fireplace. That changes about everything in the patio area. M1911
Just think of all that "green" coming your way!:D

I have looked at everything and believe I might have an answer for you but need you to think about it and perhaps talk me thru a couple of tests to prove or disprove. I'm now 3 hours behind your time.
 

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OK, here is a question for you PHD gun designers. ...
OK, here are my findings. When the striker is fully cocked it is 57/64th's from the back of the slide to the front edge of the striker lug....that's the edge that meets the back edge of the sear....which is exactly 57/64th's from the rear of the counter plate. At that point the striker is approx. 1/8" behind the firing pin safety. As you start to rack the slide I believe the striker clears the sear first followed immediately by the firing pin safety engaging the striker face. That accomplishes two things. It prevents a premature firing of a round in the chamber and allows the breech to open sufficiently so when the firing pin safety is released the breech is open which also prevents an unintended firing of a round. At that point the slide is cocking the striker normally and everything is reset.
 

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Referring to the CCP takedown video below with Bret Voorhees (Walther) ...
The cleaner Bret is using is M-Pro 7 Foaming Gun Cleaner. I personally use this along with the pump spray version to clean the packing lube/preservative off of new guns. In fact,I just picked-up a CCP today and am using the spray version.
Contrary to what Bret said in the video, it is a cleaner only -not a cleaner & lube.

M-Pro7 Foaming Gun Cleaner 070-1066 - MPro7

As for the patches he was using, they're probably old Jaguars t-shirts I printed for him back in the day when he worked with the team? LOL
 
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OK, here are my findings. ...
Follow-up:

Performed one additional test to see if my theory is correct. With the striker in the cocked position I reattached the slide to the frame without the recoil spring. I then proceeded to move the slide very slowly and deliberately to the rear until I felt the initiation of the bump. At that point I pulled the trigger....the striker did NOT release. Continuing the rearward movement of the slide did release the striker so the firing pin safety is pressed upward as it hits the top of the connector and moves rearward with the slide. The striker has been released and is recocked as the slide moves to the full rear position.
 

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The cleaner Bret is using is M-Pro 7 Foaming Gun Cleaner. I personally use this along with the pump spray version to clean the packing lube/preservative off of new guns. In fact,I just picked-up a CCP today and am using the spray version.
Contrary to what Bret said in the video, it is a cleaner only -not a cleaner & lube.

M-Pro7 Foaming Gun Cleaner 070-1066 - MPro7

As for the patches he was using, they're probably old Jaguars t-shirts I printed for him back in the day when he worked with the team? LOL
Thanks much for the info. I'm always interested in what the pros use (it's the old 'institutional knowledge' thing). I'll give it a try when I find who stocks it around here.
 

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Follow-up: Performed one additional test to see if my theory is correct. ...
I now also understand why the firing pin safety is able to drop down without falling out. The firing pin safety has a notch perpendicular to the lower arm that allows the striker to move rearward to cock when the firing pin safety is pressed upward and also prevents the firing pin safety from moving forward of the cocked position when it is pressed down by the firing pin safety spring. I am able to see the notch engaging the roll pin that normally prevents the firing pin safety from dropping below the slide which would (and does) cause the lock back. The area of the notch that contacts the roll pin is extremely small and it becomes clear as to why even the slightest outward movement of the roll pin would result in the firing pin safety protruding below the slide.
 

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So a month ago you and JohnC didn't know much about firearm lockworks. JohnC said a while back he now new more than he ever wanted to. Kinda addictive isn't it. You two will be helping folks trouble shoot and be able to explain in accurate detail all about this pistol in the not too distant future. What you won't be able to answer is when is Walther going to fix it. :) M1911
 

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Worse! A month ago I didn't know much about any of the operational systems.....trigger mechanism, striker system, safeties, etc. Now, I know more than should ever have been required.....and that is something that Walther should be concerned about. How do other striker manufacturers design these same functional systems? How were original Walther pistols designed and manufactured to prevent an owner like me from having to become so knowledgeable about an individual firearm? I would love to hear the answer to your last question direct from your friend at Walther and I would love to hear Everett's response as well. After all, as Marketing Director he is a stakeholder.
 

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I agree with chandler here. While interesting and informative to know how this gun works, I should be confident I can pick it up and it shoots reliably without feeling as a member of the design team. You may ask, "It malfunctioned, it's Walthers responsibility, send it back to them and let them fix it." Well, we have seen several examples of owners doing just that, Walther "fixed" it and upon return, more of the same problems.
I've been one of the biggest defenders of this gun since an early striker spring failure and have been fortunate with mine overall but even it finally hiccuped yesterday with a trigger reset failure. Not a gun disableing problem like some and easily cleared with a re-rack but not confidence inspiring and always leaves that little question mark in the back of your head.
Walther has a problem brewed up here and we have heard crickets from them directly. The cameo appearance of Everett with not a peep then or since about any of the mountains of info and evidence in just this forum speaks volumes about what they will do...:confused:
 

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Well, in all fairness, I'm not sure what Everett's job description is. If he is in charge of marketing, engineering is not up his alley. He can pass the information along. I'm doing that anyway....right to the head of engineering. What I'm impressed with is the part I figured would cause problems seems to be working fine...the piston and cylinder. I'm probably going to install one on my new P99c. I have a few Chevy 327 cu in pistons still sitting around. Strap a '67 short block cylinder under there, high lift cam and it will be ready to go. M1911
 

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Just think....with that high performance Chevy 327 strapped on you can outdraw and shoot any attacker before they clear the holster!:D

JohnC....I know you were, and probably still are, an ardent supporter of the CCP, but that trigger reset issue was my issue in 5 out of the firt 60 rounds fired. It was not the striker spring even though that's the part Walther swapped out while replacing the locking catch roll pin that failed.

I know that Everett has more than the CCP to focus on but I have scanned a few of the other Walther forums on this site and it appears there are several models with more than 1 or 2 minor issues. I get the feeling there's a larger more pervasive issue at Walther and the CCP is a symptom of whatever that is. Time for serious consideration of 6Sigma implementation.
 

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..It was not the striker spring even though that's the part Walther swapped out while replacing the locking catch roll pin that failed...
That was my point, they fix it but they don't fix it. Identify the problem(s). Affect a change that fixes said problems. Support us. Tell us something. Don't just throw replacement parts at it and call it fixed.
They must know. Too much info just here to say nothing. Throw us a bone at least.
And I have one of the better ones. Must be really frustrating for those with endless issues.
Come on Walther, little help here.
 

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In looking at the pictures of the 18xxx model with the new drop safety design it appears the sharper rear edge of the safety is trying to dig into the connector and into the right, front edge of the rear assembly component. I'm probably overlooking something simple but I was wondering why when the slide is retracted does't the firing pin block immediately disconnect and stay disconnected. Why is there a gap between the rear of the connector an the right side of the rear assembly. If the safety foot was smoothly pressed upward immediately upon retraction it wouldn't drag the striker rearward with it and it wouldn't release it a moment later....the striker would simply remain in contact with the sear, the safety would remain disconnected until the slide closed again at which time the foot would drop over the lowered front arm of the connector and once again block the striker. It appears from the picture that the bottom of the safety foot certainly doesn't slide smoothly up onto the right side of the rear assembly.

What did I forget? M1911
 

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In looking at the pictures of the 18xxx model with the new drop safety design it appears the sharper rear edge of the safety is trying to dig into the connector and into the right, front edge of the rear assembly component.
Yes they may have done the edge of it less sharp.

This seems to cure two problems with the striker block - its instability (now it cannot dislodge itself and tilt towards the striker channell) and in theory the clicking problem. While moving the slide to the rear, it will be deactivated sooner than the previous version and it should not cause the striker to be driven away from the sear (and then impact it when finally released) anymore.
 
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