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JOEL_BLACK

Discussion Starter · Jul 5, 2018

I've been a collector for 60 years. These 2 KKJ .22'S ARE FROM 1954.

This .22 Hornet KKJ has a very unusual claw mount that fits the standard dovetail.

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PPS1980

· #2 · Jul 5, 2018

Welcome aboard. Very nice weapons and photos. Thanks for sharing.

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DeutschlandUberAlles

· #3 · Jul 5, 2018

Nice looking pair.

Welcome.

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Andyd_is_PzGren

· #4 · Jul 5, 2018

This .22 Hornet KKJ has a very unusual claw mount that fits the standard dovetail.

That is a very common SEM, while fitting the 11mm rails, they need to be soldered on to work right. Installation needs skill and experience and was never cheap. Is that scope a Hensoldt/Zeiss 4x32 with Absehen 1?

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MGMike

· #5 · Jul 5, 2018

Andyd_is_PzGren said:
That is a very common SEM, while fitting the 11mm rails, they need to be soldered on to work right. Installation needs skill and experience and was never cheap.

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Do you mean that the fit is not correct, or that they drift from recoil?

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Andyd_is_PzGren

· #6 · Jul 5, 2018

Mike,

the Suhler Einhakmontage used to be the most common centerfire scope mount in Germany for half a century. Even if mounted on an 11 mm rail, they are soldered on since they lack a set screw on the mount to rail connection.

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JOEL_BLACK

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jul 5, 2018 (Edited)

Andyd_is_PzGren said:
That is a very common SEM, while fitting the 11mm rails, they need to be soldered on to work right. Installation needs skill and experience and was never cheap. Is that scope a Hensoldt/Zeiss 4x32 with Absehen 1?

I think over the years I owned 6 KKJ's with original scopes, but never saw one of those mounts, although most of them had the little Zielklein scopes in the following mount.

. Still your new info is the reason I am here. Thanks.

This is the scope.

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MGMike

· #8 · Jul 5, 2018

Andyd_is_PzGren said:
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...Even if mounted on an 11 mm rail, they are soldered on since they lack a set screw on the mount to rail connection.

Forgive me, but does that mean that a set screw is needed to make a correct fit on an 11mm rail, or that they drift from recoil?

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Andyd_is_PzGren

· #9 · Jul 6, 2018 (Edited)

Mike,

all I have seen have used no set screws but were soldered on. That is just the way it was done, in general the SEM was soldered onto the receiver bridge. Labour cost alone was very expensive, in the early 2000s the labour plus parts were about $1,000 and cheaper solutions prevailed, making the SEM obsolute. When properly installed, it is a great mount, though.

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Andyd_is_PzGren

· #10 · Jul 6, 2018

JOEL_BLACK said:
I think over the years I owned 6 KKJ's with original scopes, but never saw one of those mounts, although most of them had the little Zielklein scopes in the following mount.

. Still your new info is the reason I am here. Thanks.

This is the scope.

How do you like the Diatal? I have the same scope on an original Anschütz bridge mount. The al in Diatal stands for the aluminium body, while the Diasta stands for Stahl, a steel body.

Just like Simson, Suhl shotguns were made in the same factory as Merkel, Zeiss and Hensoldt shared one factory building and the civilian scopes are largely identical.

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JOEL_BLACK

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jul 6, 2018 (Edited)

Andyd_is_PzGren said:
How do you like the Diatal?

It is a little large for a .22 Hornet, but the weight isn't bad. It certainly still has good optics and despite the current fad of high scope power it has plenty of magnification for 150 yards.

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