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An analysis of Interarms/Ranger USA-made PPK-PPK/S serial numbers & dates

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Good day, my friends.

All of us know about the mystery of the dates of manufacture in regard to our beloved Interarms PPK and PPK/S pistols. Unfortunately, there is no way to tell when your particular Interarms was born by any observation of the markings on the pistol. The only way to know is by observing the test target paper that may or may not have come with your pistol. Some did not come with it having been lost to time or changing too many hands, some have incomplete dates on them (day and month but no year), and still others (like mine) come with the test paper but with no date written on it at all.

Thankfully, Searcher got a Sticky thread started a while ago for those of us lucky enough to have the test target with a date on it to post our serial numbers and date of manufacture so others may gain an idea when their pistol might have been built. Unfortunately, that sticky has been hijacked into oblivion by so many random posts that it's a chore to weed through. So, I took the liberty of not only going through the thread in detail but also organizing the useful data.

First, please be aware there are many more serial numbers than the samples below on the Sticky thread, but the posters chose to "edit" their serial numbers by not supplying the full number. For example, S1063**. While the need to preserve one's privacy is understandable, this unfortunately also creates incomplete data, and therefore cannot be used. So any edited serial numbers have been disregarded. Second, many postings spoke of a purchase date but not of test target dates. This too must be considered inaccurate because who can say how long the gun sat about in a warehouse/store shelf before it went to a loving home?

Below you'll find three charts of usable data. From the posts in the Sticky, I've learned a very important fact in regards to Interarms-made PPK and PPK/S models. Note the following:

PPK 9mm kurz stainless all start with "A"
PPK 9mm kurz blued all start with "K"
PPK 7.65 x 17mm stainless all start with "B"
PPK/S 9mm kurz stainless all start with "S"
PPK/S 7.65 x 17mm of unknown finish all start with "W"

There were some mentions of TPH models, but I've left them out in the interest of keeping this somewhat concise.

In the first chart, we have the usable reported Walther models sorted by Date of Manufacture.

In the second chart, we have the usable reported Walther models sorted by Serial Number.

And, in the final chart, we have the usable reported Walther models sorted by Model and Serial Number.


Based on the information we have thus far, we can ascertain the following regarding the Interarms/Ranger manufactured PPK and PPK/S pistols based on their serial numbers and reported test target data:

1) The order of the serial number is linear (i.e. they ascend in number as the date of manufacture progresses.)

2) There is no correlation between the models and their respective serial numbers (i.e. PPK/S with the serial number S046930 does correspond to the manufacture date of PPK A043149 - in this case it was built six years earlier, while PPK A068995 was built one year later than PPK/S S094624.)

Without much more input and data in the Sticky thread, we have very limited numbers to work with. But at least we can begin to assemble a pattern. So, in the hope of solving this mystery, please keep adding useful information to the Sticky in the FAQ section if your PPK came with a dated test target paper! It's all we'll ever have to work with, because the third and final fundamental to be understood when it comes to our Interarms pistols is this:

3) There are no patterns or anagrams to be found in the serial number. There can be no means of telling how old your PPK is based on the serial number (or other markings) alone. We need more data!

-Pilotsteve
 
#398 ·
Thank you RafMan, PilotSteve, and all the other loyal members here for compiling this information.

I have an Interams PPK/S, blued, SN: 0195XX, no test target, no box, no history. Based on the charts and information contained here, it was purchased or manufactured in the early 80's, perhaps 1982. She still runs well (after the usual fixes) with FMJ, and serves as my CCW.
 
#400 ·
I'd like some help if you wizards have the time. My father just gifted me a PPK/S, SN 139xxx. Right side marked Interarms Alexandria, Virginia - left side marked Made in W. Germany, Carl Waffenfabrik Ulm/Do. He bought it off someone years ago (at least 50+) and I believe it has had less than 10 rounds thru it between the original seller and my father. This gun looks mint with the box, extra mag, cleaning rod, and registration card. Box is aged, with matching serial number as well.

It's going into the safe, but any idea when it was made? I'm (obviously) new to the forum and will start looking thru posts and documents, starting with the chart by Rafman listed above - but would appreciate any help.
 
#406 ·
Yes, it was proofed in 1970. But letter codes appeared in the later '70.
 
#408 ·
Seems to be not a Ranger/USA made gun but a pre war Walther PPK, so called 'Million series', probably made in 1938. Needs some oil and do not store in its leather holster.
 
#409 ·
Martin, thank you for the quick response. I would love to tack down some sources that reference this "million series," do you have any links or resources?
Also, with a PPK like this, if I were to have a gunsmith confirm that it is safe to fire, would I be making a mistake to put some rounds through it?
Thanks again.
 
#410 ·
It's easy: Walther began to produce the PP-series in 1929, starting w. SN 750001. In 1938 Walther reached SN 1000000. Round about 11000 guns were made in the7th digit SN range, before Walther changed the numbering system to an added postfix: 1xxxxxP = PP, 1xxxxxK = PPK also in 1938. Source is Dieter H. Marschall => Walther Pistols: Model 1 to PPX

The gun is normally quite safe to use, but needs at first a field stripping, cleaning and lubrication. In my opinion it seems to be not the 'safe queen'. I personally shoot my guns (in most cases ;)) regulary.
 
#411 ·
It's easy: Walther began to produce the PP-series in 1929, starting w. SN 750001. In 1938 Walther reached SN 1000000. Round about 11000 guns were made in the7th digit SN range, before Walther changed the numbering system to an added postfix: 1xxxxxP = PP, 1xxxxxK = PPK also in 1938. Source is Dieter H. Marschall => Walther Pistols: Model 1 to PPX

The gun is normally quite safe to use, but needs at first a field stripping, cleaning and lubrication. In my opinion it seems to be not the 'safe queen'. I personally shoot my guns (in most cases ;)) regulary.
Martin - thanks again, very helpful on all counts. I'll look forward to taking it out... if I can find any ammunition these days.
 
#412 ·
Hope so ;). It should be .32 auto (7,65mm Browning, 7,65x17). It was made for ball ammo!
 
#413 ·
Request to add my PPK/s to RafMan's Google Sheet.
I have inherited my Dad's PPK/s Stainless (Interarms Alexandria, Virginia) S/N S035081. It is a .380 ACP.
I have the plastic box, the extra magazine, instruction manual, safety warning manual, limited warranty sheet and the test target.
Unfortunately Dad on purpose scratched of the sales sticker on the box. But I know he bought it from our local hardware store in downtown.
Can't figure out why the guy that did the test fire (3 shots) only recorded the month/day (11/14). His initials on the sheet are MH. I absolutely know that Dad had this gun for well over 20years, so the date can't be Nov/2014. No sales slip in the box unfortunately.
Your Google sheet has appeared to have narrowed the date on my Dad's gun somewhere between 1983-1986
Looks like this gun falls between:
PPK/S S0347** 11/07/19xx
PPK/S S035118 12/08/1983
Just a note for others. I have shot this gun on many occasions over the years and it doesn't like various hollow points, but is flawless with FMC/FMJ.
Thanks to those that supplied data on the RafMan's Google Sheet.
 
#429 ·
I have a blued (black on black) PPK/S that's still NIB. The included test fire sheet does not have a serial or date written on it. However, inside the first page of the manual is written, May 15, 1982 #015951, which matches the serial on the box and gun. The writing itself looks to me like it was written in the 80's, or at least looks really similar to my great grandmother's handwriting.

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#437 · (Edited)
My contribution to the historical data. Early blue Interarms PPK/S. 004898. As new in box; allegedly un-fired since the factory. No date info on the target or copyright date on the manual; looks to be 1981 per the chart, if anyone has other date thoughts I'd like to hear them. As fresh from the factory.....

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