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Hi all,

I am very new to firearms and may not know all the correct terminology. I purchased a Walther P22CA less than two weeks ago. I took it out two times and it fired perfectly (probably 300 rounds). I cleaned it and took it out again and now the bullet fails to eject probably 70% of the time after firing the gun and even when I just rack the slide with a full magazine.

I called where I purchased the firearm and they said that they don't take them back.

Any ideas in plain English...LOL

Thanks in advance!
 

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Not really direct help but incase you don’t know, your pistol has a lifetime warranty with Walther. So if you don’t figure it out, give them a call. If they can’t solve it over the phone they will fix it at no cost to you including shipping both ways. I’ll echo Dye’s question in regards to ammo. If not already using try CCI Mini Mags or Remington Golden Bullets. These little guns need high performance ammo.

When you say fail to eject when firing, what does it do? Is the casing still in the barrel and slide closed? Slide locked back but casing in the barrel?

Have you tried the drop test which simply is placing a bullet in the barrel ( do this with the slide off) and then holding the gun up. If it fails to drop out keep cleaning the barrel.
 

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I have only had any great success with CCI Mini Mags and Remington Golden Bullet. Also the Remington Golden Bullet tended to leave my barrel in a far less fouled condition than many other .22's. anything else I've used was inadequate to the task of cycling the slide completely to eject the spent casing.
 

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I have not heard of the drop test. The slide stays back....even when racking the slide without firing it.
 

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Not really direct help but incase you don’t know, your pistol has a lifetime warranty with Walther. So if you don’t figure it out, give them a call. If they can’t solve it over the phone they will fix it at no cost to you including shipping both ways. I’ll echo Dye’s question in regards to ammo. If not already using try CCI Mini Mags or Remington Golden Bullets. These little guns need high performance ammo.

When you say fail to eject when firing, what does it do? Is the casing still in the barrel and slide closed? Slide locked back but casing in the barrel?

Have you tried the drop test which simply is placing a bullet in the barrel ( do this with the slide off) and then holding the gun up. If it fails to drop out keep cleaning the barrel.




Just tried the drop test and the bullet does NOT fall out
 

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Not really direct help but incase you don’t know, your pistol has a lifetime warranty with Walther. So if you don’t figure it out, give them a call. If they can’t solve it over the phone they will fix it at no cost to you including shipping both ways. I’ll echo Dye’s question in regards to ammo. If not already using try CCI Mini Mags or Remington Golden Bullets. These little guns need high performance ammo.

When you say fail to eject when firing, what does it do? Is the casing still in the barrel and slide closed? Slide locked back but casing in the barrel?

Have you tried the drop test which simply is placing a bullet in the barrel ( do this with the slide off) and then holding the gun up. If it fails to drop out keep cleaning the barrel.




Just tried the drop test and the bullet does NOT fall out

Edit...falls out if I shake the gun
 

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I was just looking at my ammo and even though the same brand..one is a lead head and the other is a copper head and I am finding that it is the copper head that is having the problem ejecting. Does anyone think that with a new ejector that it will make a difference. I have probably 2000 rounds of the copperhead so I am hoping that I would still be able to use the copperhead bullets.
 

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I was just looking at my ammo and even though the same brand..one is a lead head and the other is a copper head and I am finding that it is the copper head that is having the problem ejecting. Does anyone think that with a new ejector that it will make a difference. I have probably 2000 rounds of the copperhead so I am hoping that I would still be able to use the copperhead bullets.
It probably isn't ejecting because it doesn't have enough pressure to cycle the slide properly. Buy some CCI Mini Mags or Remington Golden Bullets and see if those cycle and eject properly. I'd be surprised if that didn't solve your issue.

Also I recommend cleaning your barrel thoroughly with a brass brush and good barrel cleaning solvent.
 

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It probably isn't ejecting because it doesn't have enough pressure to cycle the slide properly. Buy some CCI Mini Mags or Remington Golden Bullets and see if those cycle and eject properly. I'd be surprised if that didn't solve your issue.

Also I recommend cleaning your barrel thoroughly with a brass brush and good barrel cleaning solvent.


I did clean the barrel again today and the copperheads are still having a problem ejecting when I pull the slide back....I did not go to the range. The lead head bullets are ejecting when I pull the slide out so that is what is making me think it is the copper. Again, I am new to this so I may be way off base :)
 

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I’d get rid of the lead bullets they tend to foul the barrel more. I used to use Blazer Brass also made by CCI with less than good results. If you have CCI Mini Mags (which are different than other CCI 22’s) or any bullet for that matter not dropping out on their own weight there is an issue with the barrel. Are you using a brass brush when cleaning the barrel? Are you using anything like Hoppes to dissolve lead and powder residue? To be fair I have had a batch of MiniMags have excess material (wax?) on them. I assume you are starting out with a dry barrel and not one with lube in it.
 

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I’d get rid of the lead bullets they tend to foul the barrel more. I used to use Blazer Brass also made by CCI with less than good results. If you have CCI Mini Mags (which are different than other CCI 22’s) or any bullet for that matter not dropping out on their own weight there is an issue with the barrel. Are you using a brass brush when cleaning the barrel? Are you using anything like Hoppes to dissolve lead and powder residue? To be fair I have had a batch of MiniMags have excess material (wax?) on them. I assume you are starting out with a dry barrel and not one with lube in it.

But why would the lead bullets come right out but not the CCI Mini Mags or CCI 22LR ones?

Yes I am using a brass brush.

I did not use Hoppes...I used One-step CLR. Is there a big difference?
 

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CCI LR would apply to all its 22 ammo. You referred to “recommended” ammo. What specifically was recommended? Is the bullet all copper or copper jacketed? Provide the name of the specific ammo on the box. In will look it up and see if it is low velocity or quiet which would mean it is lower pressure and that could be the problem.
The other possibility is that the extractor was damaged when you cleaned the gun. I think that is unlikely. I think the actual ammo that fails to extract is the problem.
 

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The ammunition is CCI standard velocity. I am at work so I can't actually look at the container.
I looked up the stats for several popular rounds of CC ammo and yer standard velocity. When you look at the number you will see that Standard Velocity has the least power in terms of muzzle energy and energy.It has the same velocity as CCI Sub Sonic which is made to be less powerful

Here is the list.

Standard: velocity: velocity=1070 energy=102
Sub Sonic: velocity=1070 energy=102
Mini Mag RN: velocity=1235 energy=125
Mini Mag HP veloxity=1260. energy=127

The Mini Mag rounds have 25% more power than the other two. That power is relative the the force of the slide’s rearward movement. 25% is actually quite meaningful in 22 caliber because it is generally an underpowered round. Originally most 22 ammo was made to be fired from revolver. Revolvers have no ejection issues. Most rifles do not either because ejection is done by manually applied force.

I used to shoot a M&P compact 22. I only shot Mini Mags. I never gad a failure to eject in thousands of rounds.

I suggest you buy a box of Mini Mag round nose and see if they eject properly. If they do iy answers your question. If they do not it probably means sending the gun to Walther for a look.
 

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The mini mags are not ejecting either...even when I am just cycling check magazine but the lead ones do eject and that doesn't make any sense to me at all.
 

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The mini mags are not ejecting either...even when I am just cycling check magazine but the lead ones do eject and that doesn't make any sense to me at all.
That makes no sense to me either, but guns do not have sense so it might be the gun. The ejection disparity between the lead and copper rounds is obviously caused by something. Your experience is that the FTEs happen after firing a round and when racking the slide to eject. If it were only when firing, I would guess it was casing expansion but since it also occurs without firing that hypothesis fails.

That leads me to believe there are these possibilities.
1. The ejector malfunctions with certain ammo.
2. The casings on the ammo that fails have a tiny bit more diameter.
3. The chamber of your pistol is out of tolerance which could be residue or brass buildup, or it could be out of tolerance upon manufacture.

My recommendation is that you first call CCI and explain what you are experiencing to customer service and see it they have any idea about the cause. If they do not, then I think you have to call Walther to have the gun sent back for examination.

Finally, since the problem was not evident initially when you shot the gun it makes me think that either the chamber has some minuscule debris or the ejector is damaged.

Beyond what I have written I have no more thoughts about the cause. Good luck in getting the problem resolved.

Added: one more thought. It might be that the casing of the copper rounds expands when the bullet I’d pressed into place. Since the led is softer it would not likely do that. Just another possibility to question.
Also, when you clean the chamber remember that is is a greater diameter than the barrel. So a 22 wire brush is not going to clean it as well as possible. Clean the chamber from the chamber opening and be certain to put adjust pressure to assure good contact with the chamber walls.
 

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Have you tried the Mini Mags at the range or just hand cycling? As I recall two different forces are involved both dealing with “extracting” the casing.

When hand cycling to clear the unused bullet, the extractor on the slide must catch the lip of the rim. If the extractor fails to do that it could be the extractor is faulty, or the bullet is stuck.

When firing, the extractor plays no part as the act of firing ejects the spent casing from the barrel, and out the port (a bit more involved...). If the round doesn’t have enough energy to properly expel the round things don’t work well. you may get fail to eject, stove pipes (casing stuck in ejection port), fail to feed as the slide didn’t get shoved all the way back.

Hang in there.
 
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