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i never said the article was infallible.

it was just nice seeing someone use actual data in a study.

like eddbrowne mentioned, in summer, i'll carry a smaller lighter gun. Pk380, P238 etc. are much easier to conceal when i'm in jeans and a tshirt for 90% of the time.

fall/winter is the P95 or 1911 carry season since i'm either in a hoodie or jacket.
 

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380 ammo

I've got PMC Starfire 95 GR in my Walther PPK/S. I tried to get the Hornaday and a few others but here in CT, ammo sells out faster than I can order it. I saw Cabelas today had Hornaday and when i called...it was gone. My second magazine has FMJ just for some assurance.

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For what it is worth, I use a FMJ or hard cast lead (like Buffalo Bore) with a flatpoint. There is a saying: "Bullet placement is king, penetration is queen, anything else is just angels dancing on the head of a pin".

With a .380 you need to reach something vital. Most HPs will give you (or hopefully the BG) a large shallow wound which will bleed a lot, look awful, but not necesssarily contribute to stopping him. The jury is still out for me on Hornady Critical Defense.

I train for CNS hits, head, spinal hits, or a pelvic cradle hit. The first 2 will put the BG down for the count, the 3rd will put him down but not out. No one is going anywhere after a solid pelvic cradle hit, but they still may be able to shoot you. At the short ranges typical of the SD scenario, I prefer to train to shoot right under the chin in hope of getting through to the back of the spine. Now this is assuming I am using a 380, if I am using a much larger or more potent caliber (357 Sig?) I am just going to dump the mag into his chest area, which should do something realy bad to him.
 

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It seems to me that for years, lots of folks carried 32 S& W for protection. I have a brother that had a smalll snubby 32 that he carried when off duty. Nowadays, we talk about 32s & 380s like they were spitballs. I guess we are no longer satisfied just to hit, rather, we neeed to knock them down with 9mms, 40s, 45s, 357s etc. Not that i know lots about calibers. I was an infantryman in Viet Nam in '67. I saw guys hit multiple times with an AR 15, and keep on coming. If determined, there isnt much you can throw out there to stop a really pissed off, madder than hell oponent!
 

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This thread has so much information it's almost hard to follow.... and kudos to those that have spent so much time explaining the nuances of "bulletology". As you will see, my opinions aren't quite as scientific. As I see it, there isn't a perfect round when using a smaller caliber weapon for self defense. Every defensive situation will be different and in the end, I think the most important factor to consider is putting rounds on target. Specifically, rounds that will "get to something". Most gun owners won't know (and probably won't care) about the hundreds of details concerning penetration, fragmentation, etc. However, rounds on target will produce the intended effects of pain, injury, and/or death. To over-simplify this point, almost any ammo will produce these effects. In the end, the only way to be ready is to train, and even training doesn't guarantee that an individuals reactions will be smooth and fluid, or even that they will react at all, which would then render the best weapon and ammo totally useless.
 

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Old thread, but based on Gel Tests I've seen, the best .380 ammo seems to be Lehigh/Underwood Xtreme Penetrator.

It's a solid copper flat-nosed bullet with a unique shape like that of a phillips head screwdriver. In terms of function it works like a cross between a FMJ and a JHP round, penetrating more deeply like a FMJ while creating a large wound channel like a JHP, except it doesn't over-penetrate like a FMJ, and the wound channel is larger and more consistent than a JHP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PDQcE-1T40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczfeWK9lHw
 

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when it comes to the .380acp, I'd feel just as comfortable with a full sized .32acp loaded with FMJ. for instance, the German made Walther or French made Manurhin in .32acp fmj penetrates just as far as a .380acp fmj in the same sized gun, but with the .32acp you get an extra round.
 

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Ok, dumb question - why? Why this question? I've been carrying a Bersa 380 cc and have recently switched to a RM380. What ammo do I use? Whatever the heck works. Why is this even a question? Which brands of ammunition are available and which ones play well with your gun? How simple is that? I could suggest the best cartridge ever, but if it won't work in your gun and you can't buy it, what's the point? My little Remington eats anything and everything I feed it. Bottom line for me is to buy the best ammo, it'll work, and the price differential is minimal.
 

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We're not taking about taking down a bear or moose. 380 FMJ round nose in 95 grain. Look over countless ballistic tests out there on the 380, or for that matter the 32. If your sold on sub atomic bullets that will take out an engine block, so be it. Think about what your using and it's intended purpose. One shot of standard 380 could incapacitate anyone. And it might take ten shots. Same with 38, 357, 9, 40, 45, 10 etc. etc. There are countless versions of every type of ammo out there. Do your homework, look at data and testing and choose for yourself. Just because it's expensive and comes with a pretty box and promises nuclear capabilities, doesn't mean it will perform any better.
 

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I'll try to revive an old thread here, since it's been of interest personally.
I ran Gold Dots in my .380s (Ruger LCP and G42) for the dual reasons that they ran reliably in both guns and had a decent reputation for penetration with some expansion.
Two more things complicated things; the Gold Dots are always hard to find in .380, and some tests have shown the Hornady XTP to have an even better rep for penetration and some expansion.
The good news for the Ruger and the Glock is the default setting; both seem to eat about anything.
I'll want to chrono some of the XTPs, but they did not seem to be hard to control, and didn't make excess muzzle flash.
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Let me answer based on what I think reasonable 380 terminal
performance might be through barriers.
Testing of direct impacts through denim and gelatin is only for
comparisons and simple situations.
For me, neglecting worst-cases, minimum penetration for a 380 from 5 feet might be:

1. If a bullet hits at a 20 deg slant, it passes through a leather coat,
and a rib, and 9'' of soft tissue.

2. If a bullet hits at a 10 degree slant, it passes through a leather coat,
then a sternum, then 7'' of soft tissue.

3. With a 10 degree slant, it passes through auto door glass,
then a leather coat, and a rib, and 4'' of soft tissue.

These conditions are tweaked since I'm satisfied with an 85 pct chance
of ending perp aggression with one "accurate" bullet, and 95 pct for
two accurate bullets.
Preparing for the worst cases is expensive and troublesome,
and rarely necessary.

Since such test results are not available, I maximize 380 penetration
with fmj (or "hard cast"). My testing in dried poplar is only a rough
indicator for 380 fmj. (2.9" penetration along the grain)

Yes, a bullet could pass through a perp (at a low velocity);
but it could miss with a high velocity. The fewer shots fired, the better.
An expander that penetrates a barrier and 2'' of soft tissue
means more shots, if you have that chance.
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Thanks mate! It helps me! ;) :cool:
 

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PPU .380 practice ammo consistently fails to cycle my Glock 42 although works reliably in my pre-ban PPK, FEG PA63, and formerly owned Astra Constable. Dunno. I've been carrying Buffalo Bore which seems to work fine in the G42 - I don't plan to try it in the PPK or PA63, however.
 

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Just a thought. The .380 is a marginal defensive round. My daughter in law is petite but once she shot my son's S&W Shield in 9mm Parabellum it went into her purse .
 
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