I was just in the store yesterday checking out the P99's, and I really like the new long mag releases that are on the new ones. Although they're only QA, and I love the AS trigger, is there some way to get one of those? I know Walther is making them like that still, but SW isnt importing them, is Earl or anyone else?? The only gun that I found I liked just as much as the P99 is the HK P2000, it has the changable backstraps, and the same type feel as the P99. The P2000 has a hammer and a much better decocker location, but I dont like the feel of the P2000 grip, or the Mag release. Anyone else tried these out??
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HK makes a great weapon, but in making your decision, I would ignore the fact that the HK has a hammer, and quite possibly the decocker location too. You'll quickly grow accustomed to the P99's decocker if you get an AS. I can get it with the thumb of my shooting hand, or my other hand.
Glock is undoubtedly the king of handguns today, they are striker fired like the P99 is. "A hammer does not a good pistol make." I would also say that most people, at least myself anyways, fumble to thumb the hammer on medium to large semiautos. I can't, for the life of me, cock the hammer with my strong shooting hand on a buddy's Sig P229 without fumbling with the gun. I also have a bit of a hard time with my PPK/s without adjusting my grip. Do I have small hands???
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If you're looking for a quick way to cock the P99 AS, you simply retract the slide about 3/8" and release. It doesn't eject the round in the chamber, just sets the striker to single action "AS" mode where the trigger is light and in the forward position. You can carry in a good holster in this mode.
Alas, you hit the nail on the head with Smithy not importing the AS trigger setup anymore. As long as you like 9mm, I believe you can still get 'em from Earl's, though I hear he's a dick and I know his prices are outrageous.
Speaking of prices, it has been my opinion that HK makes great guns, but they tend to be overpriced cause they happen to say HK on the side! Throw in that crappy mag release (I think the P99's is MUCH more ergonomic for my hands), and I think you'll see that the P99 is probably the better buy, even if you have to get the QA trigger (not bad, just not an AS). Besides, the P99 just LOOKS cooler.
Sorry to give a biased answer, you're on the walther forums after all... heheh
-stunks
P.S. if the prospect of a QA type trigger doesn't bother you, you should also look at the excellent Springfield XD line of pistols. Fits the hand similarly to the P99, and costs less money. It even has a grip safety, like an 1911, and shoots wonderfully, to boot!
EDIT: spelling, it is early in the morning
Glock is undoubtedly the king of handguns today, they are striker fired like the P99 is. "A hammer does not a good pistol make." I would also say that most people, at least myself anyways, fumble to thumb the hammer on medium to large semiautos. I can't, for the life of me, cock the hammer with my strong shooting hand on a buddy's Sig P229 without fumbling with the gun. I also have a bit of a hard time with my PPK/s without adjusting my grip. Do I have small hands???
If you're looking for a quick way to cock the P99 AS, you simply retract the slide about 3/8" and release. It doesn't eject the round in the chamber, just sets the striker to single action "AS" mode where the trigger is light and in the forward position. You can carry in a good holster in this mode.
Alas, you hit the nail on the head with Smithy not importing the AS trigger setup anymore. As long as you like 9mm, I believe you can still get 'em from Earl's, though I hear he's a dick and I know his prices are outrageous.
Speaking of prices, it has been my opinion that HK makes great guns, but they tend to be overpriced cause they happen to say HK on the side! Throw in that crappy mag release (I think the P99's is MUCH more ergonomic for my hands), and I think you'll see that the P99 is probably the better buy, even if you have to get the QA trigger (not bad, just not an AS). Besides, the P99 just LOOKS cooler.
Sorry to give a biased answer, you're on the walther forums after all... heheh
-stunks
P.S. if the prospect of a QA type trigger doesn't bother you, you should also look at the excellent Springfield XD line of pistols. Fits the hand similarly to the P99, and costs less money. It even has a grip safety, like an 1911, and shoots wonderfully, to boot!
EDIT: spelling, it is early in the morning
I thought the AS trigger was the non-cocked pull with one in the chamber. The Anti-Stress part is that you have a 9 lbs. pull that is hard enough to make you think before pulling, vs. a much shorter and lighter pull in single action. I don't carry in SA mode... one in the chamber and decocked allows me to pull and shoot, but makes it much more difficult to accidentally snag the trigger on something. Granted, nothing should be accidentally snagging anything, especially in a good holster, but the AS trigger gives more resistance to be a bit more sure.
Carrying with a P99 cocked and loaded would be similar to carrying a 1911 cocked and unlocked.
Carrying with a P99 cocked and loaded would be similar to carrying a 1911 cocked and unlocked.
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Well, kinda but not really
The first decocked pull of your AS P99 is a normal double action pull. The trigger cocks the striker and releases it. All subsequent shots are then single action with a short light pull.
The AS trigger actually has to do with a long single action pull with a lot of takeup, trigger in forward position (looks like a long DA pull). If you chamber a round without decocking, the trigger is then in AS mode, which as said, is a long light single action pull. With great care, you can take up the slack in the trigger and it will "set" into the normal rearward single action position if you'd rather shoot with short SA (such as at the shooting range). The AS system, with trigger forward, prevents twitchy responses in stressful situations.
In reading walther's brochure, it says the AS innovation is a longer pull in both DA and SA modes. However, consulting Dr. Lunde's FAQ, one can see that the odd forward position single action is what really characterizes the AS trigger...
Also, if you have a good holster, there's really no problem in carrying in AS mode. Its not much different than carrying a glock, really. The trigger pulls are similar. I don't know if I'd personally do it. I'm really more used to traditional double action, with first shot DA, then SA, but it shouldn't be a problem if your holster properly protects the trigger from outside manipulation. The P99 is safe enough that the only way it will fire is if a shooter applies rearward pressure, in a uniform motion... So, if you don't want it to fire, don't pull the trigger.
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The first decocked pull of your AS P99 is a normal double action pull. The trigger cocks the striker and releases it. All subsequent shots are then single action with a short light pull.
The AS trigger actually has to do with a long single action pull with a lot of takeup, trigger in forward position (looks like a long DA pull). If you chamber a round without decocking, the trigger is then in AS mode, which as said, is a long light single action pull. With great care, you can take up the slack in the trigger and it will "set" into the normal rearward single action position if you'd rather shoot with short SA (such as at the shooting range). The AS system, with trigger forward, prevents twitchy responses in stressful situations.
In reading walther's brochure, it says the AS innovation is a longer pull in both DA and SA modes. However, consulting Dr. Lunde's FAQ, one can see that the odd forward position single action is what really characterizes the AS trigger...
Also, if you have a good holster, there's really no problem in carrying in AS mode. Its not much different than carrying a glock, really. The trigger pulls are similar. I don't know if I'd personally do it. I'm really more used to traditional double action, with first shot DA, then SA, but it shouldn't be a problem if your holster properly protects the trigger from outside manipulation. The P99 is safe enough that the only way it will fire is if a shooter applies rearward pressure, in a uniform motion... So, if you don't want it to fire, don't pull the trigger.
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HEhe, didn't we already tell ya, peterk!!! Go get yourself the P99!!!
Don't you love forum bias???
Seriously, though, by reading your first post, if you like the way the P99 fits in your hand better, that's the proverbial ticket right there. It will be YOU that shoots the thing, and a comfortable gun you'll shoot more often and become more proficient with it.
Also, if the QA trigger bothers you, just do a search here about it. There are plenty of members, especially P88, that LOVE their QA's. P88 says he's more accurate with the QA, so he traded in all his AS's for QA's! That's saying somthing, right???
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Don't you love forum bias???
Seriously, though, by reading your first post, if you like the way the P99 fits in your hand better, that's the proverbial ticket right there. It will be YOU that shoots the thing, and a comfortable gun you'll shoot more often and become more proficient with it.
Also, if the QA trigger bothers you, just do a search here about it. There are plenty of members, especially P88, that LOVE their QA's. P88 says he's more accurate with the QA, so he traded in all his AS's for QA's! That's saying somthing, right???
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I like HK as much as Walther so I won't tell you one is better,I bought both.HK for durability/reliability and walther for ergo/looks
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I also have read that some HK customers have had sub-par customer service experiences... Check out Gato's recent thread.
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I have both, a 9mm P2000 V3 (DA/SA with decock) and multiple P99s. The P2000 is very nicely finished, and has a great feel to it. It is also very accurate, pretty much on par with my 9mm P99s. Compared to the P99, which is the standard to judge from
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P2000 pros:
- Very good feel in my hands
- Fully ambidextrous (meaningless to me, but perhaps a plus for some)
- A little smaller than a full size P99
P2000 cons:
- Longer trigger reset the P99 AS
- 13 vs 16 rounds
- $200 - 300 higher cost
- If you need it, HK Customer service is not as good as S&W
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James
P2000 pros:
- Very good feel in my hands
- Fully ambidextrous (meaningless to me, but perhaps a plus for some)
- A little smaller than a full size P99
P2000 cons:
- Longer trigger reset the P99 AS
- 13 vs 16 rounds
- $200 - 300 higher cost
- If you need it, HK Customer service is not as good as S&W
Regards,
James
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Hey, extremist!
Did you derive your handle from the Joe Satriani song of the same name?
I've seen your posts before, and just now thought of it!
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Did you derive your handle from the Joe Satriani song of the same name?
I've seen your posts before, and just now thought of it!
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No, my handle came from Janot Reno when she called me that during the Branch Davidian congressional hearings. She basically had a label for any that thought the government could do no wrong and those that believed "literally" in the Bible and such.[b said:
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