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03hemi 06-14-2019 08:28 AM

In my absence?
 
Greetings to all, I haven't been on in a while, but have been creeping from time to time.
I recently purchased a 1966 Walther PP in really great condition, just a tiny bit of muzzle wear on the bluing at the end. Oh yeah, it's in the coveted .32 too!
I'll pick it up at lunch today and get some photos up ASAP. I'll tell you what I paid for it after you see it and get your opinion, but I think I did well.
The strange thing is it's a police stamped pistol and comes with the original box and mags, but the box is off by "1" number in the last digit of the serial? The police station must have had a bunch of them in numerical order and simply grabbed the wrong box belonging to the next serial number up when boxing them up for trade in would be my guess?
It's sure to please you ever discerning Walther guys and I look forward to all of your comments and opinions. Oh yeah, still keeping an eye out for a very nice PPK to round out my collection.
Till then.
Tray

03hemi 06-14-2019 11:55 AM

Update on 66 Walther PP
 
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As promised, I picked it up at lunch. Keep in mind it's filthy, but at least you don't have to wait until Monday to see it. Came with three original mags and two of them have the pinky extensions. Look forward to cleaning it up over the weekend.
Oh yeah, I paid... wait for it... only $580!

brunrox 06-14-2019 02:25 PM

Very Nice.., I like it !

Are the mags numbered to the PP ?

03hemi 06-14-2019 02:49 PM

I don't know? I'll check and get back.

03hemi 06-14-2019 02:55 PM

Appear to be of that era, but no serial number on them.

93978 06-14-2019 08:00 PM

nice piece

halfmoonclip 06-14-2019 11:23 PM

Nice catch; no test target? Your box swap makes sense.
Moon

Andyd_is_PzGren 06-16-2019 05:54 AM

NDS marked for Polizei Niedersachsen.

03hemi 06-17-2019 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by halfmoonclip (Post 1199172)
Nice catch; no test target? Your box swap makes sense.
Moon

So, this box mix up was a common thing, huh? No test target, cleaning rod or olive fork or manual.

JERRYS. 06-17-2019 10:26 AM

the PP .32 in any fashion is a jewel.

Andyd_is_PzGren 06-18-2019 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 03hemi (Post 1199418)
So, this box mix up was a common thing, huh? No test target, cleaning rod or olive fork or manual.

Most agencies kept the boxes in their storage and only issued the guns, spare mag and a holster and nobody cared about the boxes in Germany to begin with.

03hemi 06-18-2019 12:22 PM

I just discovered the Walther PP Super! O' Lord what have I done, there's even more old German Walthers to collect?

halfmoonclip 06-18-2019 01:51 PM

Luckily, the ammo for the Super is now to be found online.
You'll find the same true for .32; more choices/prices. The European stuff is to be preferred.
Passed on a Super years ago for lack of ammo.

Moon

03hemi 06-18-2019 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by halfmoonclip (Post 1199580)
Luckily, the ammo for the Super is now to be found online.
You'll find the same true for .32; more choices/prices. The European stuff is to be preferred.
Passed on a Super years ago for lack of ammo.

Moon

That little PP Super is one sexy looking little number too. Good because according to GB they look like they don't move very quickly or at the same prices the PP/PPK/S sell for either? Am I off on that and they have a great collectability to them?
I went into "completed" auctions and not much showed up actually being sold.

Redcat94 06-18-2019 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 03hemi (Post 1199588)
according to GB they look like they don't move very quickly

Guns chambered for uncommon calibers move slower, that's all. The PP Super is a hidden gem in the Walther lineup.

GeoNole94 06-19-2019 07:45 AM

Funny thing about the PP Super auctions on GB, they seem to cycle in and out of fashion (sales). In 2017 and 2018, both calibers sold well. For the last 6-9 months, it has been noticeably slower, even in the much-coveted .380 version. As said elsewhere above, the Supers are nice pistols and a lot of fun to shoot, in .380 (unlike the PP or PPK) and in the more robust Ultra. Get you one and give them a spin!

03hemi 06-19-2019 08:20 AM

So what I'm getting here is keep an eye out for one in good condition, preferably .380 but .32 also depending on shape.
Thanks for the heads up and now I have another Walther to keep my eye out for.

halfmoonclip 06-19-2019 09:08 AM

Actually, your Moparness, the Supers are what are more common. :) I've been keeping a stray eye open for one at gunshows.
Also, does anyone know if either .380 or 9mm loading dies will work for the Super? My manuals don't even list it.
Moon

Andyd_is_PzGren 06-20-2019 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by halfmoonclip (Post 1199666)
Actually, your Moparness, the Supers are what are more common. :) I've been keeping a stray eye open for one at gunshows.
Also, does anyone know if either .380 or 9mm loading dies will work for the Super? My manuals don't even list it.
Moon

Thanks to GeoNole94's generous help I have some nice 9mm Ultra brass and reloaded some 9 Ultra and now can answer that question. The 9mm Luger dies will work and you need to use .380 shellholders. I used 95 gr JHP bullets with an load of Bullseye that was listed for the 9mm Makarov as a starting load.

The 9 Ultra is easy to reload and cheap to shoot due to lighter bullets and small powder charges.

03hemi 06-20-2019 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfmoonclip (Post 1199666)
Actually, your Moparness, the Supers are what are more common. :) I've been keeping a stray eye open for one at gunshows.
Also, does anyone know if either .380 or 9mm loading dies will work for the Super? My manuals don't even list it.
Moon

"Moparness" had to think about that for a minute. lol
So the Supers are easier to find at gun shows than the PP/PPk/S then? Good to know, I'll be going to one at the end of the month and I'll keep an eye out for one, thanks.
What's a good price on one or what should I expect to pay for a very good to great condition Super?
Tray

halfmoonclip 06-20-2019 10:31 PM

Andy, thanks, that would make catching a Super easier.

Altho' I'm not sure I need one more almost-the-same casing to chase.
Per our old Range Officer, we stripe the heads of .380s, but not 9s, for easier identification when policing them.
Moon

kingparis1 06-21-2019 05:58 AM

That price you paid for a PP in that shape is really good. I know because I’m looking diligently for one in that condition and the average I’m seeing is in the $800-900 range. Congratulations!

03hemi 06-21-2019 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kingparis1 (Post 1199982)
That price you paid for a PP in that shape is really good. I know because I知 looking diligently for one in that condition and the average I知 seeing is in the $800-900 range. Congratulations!

Oh Hell yeah, didn't even bat an eye. Actually I bought the gun before he told me the price...he told me the price a week later! I new he wouldn't take advantage of me though, I've bought a bunch of guns through him already.

GeoNole94 06-21-2019 06:22 PM

You will see far more PP or PPK/S than Supers at gun shows or at your LGS. Prices on GB for a decent police surplus PP Super in 9x18 Ultra will start at around $550, with $750 not uncommon for a full package. Commercial 9x18 Supers and those chambered in .380 are seldom seen, and nice examples of those will fetch prices of around $800 and $1,000, respectively. NOS or pristine LNIB .380 have sold for $1,200 and up during the last few years.

GeoNole94 06-21-2019 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingparis1 (Post 1199982)
That price you paid for a PP in that shape is really good. I know because I知 looking diligently for one in that condition and the average I知 seeing is in the $800-900 range. Congratulations!

FWIIW, I bought an excellent Manurhin PP in .32 less than a year ago for $450, so you should not have to spend that much for a nice PP.

Andyd_is_PzGren 06-22-2019 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingparis1 (Post 1199982)
That price you paid for a PP in that shape is really good. I know because I知 looking diligently for one in that condition and the average I知 seeing is in the $800-900 range. Congratulations!

As Geonole said, $800-900 is above average price for a Walther PP in .32ACP while excellent guns in .380 or .22 l.r. can fetch that.

kingparis1 06-22-2019 06:04 AM

I totally agree that “you should not have to” pay $8-900 for a nice PP. But...If you watch them on Gunbroker, you don’t see any pristine ones in the $500 range. Tell me where I can find a great, new looking one in the original box with papers for $500 and I’ll buy it gladly today.

GeoNole94 06-22-2019 05:54 PM

Well, in fairness, Manurhin like mine often sell at a 10-15% discount to those stamped Walther, but I do think that you can save a couple hundred dollars by being patient. If you are OK to get a nice Walther-marked PP for something closer to the $700-800 mark, then you might try Simpsons.

Redcat94 06-22-2019 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoNole94 (Post 1200214)
If you are OK to get a nice Walther-marked PP for something closer to the $700-800 mark, then you might try Simpsons.

Simpson Ltd., Checkpoint Charlie's, and Joe Salter would be excellent places to keep an eye on. I've bought guns and accessories from all of them with no complaints.

kingparis1 06-23-2019 05:54 AM

Thanks guys, I was not aware of those locations.
I also do like Manurhin and have a .22 PPK in great shape. Maybe I have been paying too much for my Walthers, but I’m new to them and love the design and quality etc. To me they’re not only great shooters, they’re works of Art!

Andyd_is_PzGren 06-23-2019 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingparis1 (Post 1200112)
I totally agree that “you should not have to” pay $8-900 for a nice PP. But...If you watch them on Gunbroker, you don’t see any pristine ones in the $500 range. Tell me where I can find a great, new looking one in the original box with papers for $500 and I’ll buy it gladly today.

In between $500 and $900, is a huge difference. While you might not easily find a gun for 60% of the max price, finding one for $695 should not be that hard.

I personally do not care that much for papers or boxes but then I have several large airtight aluminium boxes full of gun boxes in the attic and have problems just with safe storage of my handguns alone.

03hemi 06-24-2019 08:27 AM

I just put another blued PPK/S, Manurhin, 9mm/380 no box or papers in about the same shape as my others (99.5+%) on law-a-way (Sat) for $425 OTD! The deals are out there. Now if I could just come across a German or French PPK in the same kind of shape without taking out a mortgage for it?

MGMike 06-24-2019 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Andyd_is_PzGren (Post 1200292)
...

... I have several large airtight aluminium boxes full of gun boxes in the attic and have problems just with safe storage of my handguns alone.

True enough. But as often as not, when we are gone the guns and boxes may not be reunited.

One solution is bigger safes.

M

Andyd_is_PzGren 06-25-2019 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MGMike (Post 1200518)
True enough. But as often as not, when we are gone the guns and boxes may not be reunited.

One solution is bigger safes.

M

I have quite a few handguns and the plastic case for a Walther GSP would be taking up a whole shelf by itself. When I had less than 30 handguns, I had many pistols and revolvers stored inside the safes in boxes but I found it awkward to get them out.

I have raised my sons and influenced them a little bit, they would not only know which boxes, magazines and spare go to which gun but they will in due time incorporate my guns into their own collections. My oldest son is firmly planning to have a safe gun room with a vault door after his next move.

kingparis1 06-25-2019 06:04 AM

Great price on that .380, congrats. I wound up finding a pretty nice 50s model PP with box for $100 more. I do like the smaller cardboard boxes with the lizard print...they look cool, stack well and don’t take up much room.


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