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Old 08-21-2019, 10:47 AM   #61
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Not when it comes to accurate handguns ... but then most people encountered at the gun range have never even learnt the basics about handgun shooting and will never know the difference. Hammerli had built the carbon fibre model 280 in the 1990s but the most successful match pistols are still built with traditional metal frames to this day.

Last week I shot my favourite Glock, an old G23 with a ported 9mm barrel and Heinie S-8 sights. I play with Glocks and their triggers since almost 30 years now and have this one set up pretty nicely. Afterwards, I shot my Neuhausen SIG P210-6 and the trigger pull is just so much better, that the guns are worlds apart in accuracy and performance.

The CZ SP-01 and CZ's new line of match pistols is refuting any comments that steel framed handguns are obsolete.

Well, I certainly agree. But that type of craftsmanship and precision is indeed obsolete. For example, my pistol, my favorite pistol, is the FN Hi Power. Not a better made pistol anywhere. Obsolete, FN has no reason to continue making them.

And pistols are accurate enough to do their stated jobs. But boutique manufacturers make plenty of all metal pistols. And target pistols havenít changed...

But the designs no longer meet the needs of the practitioner and manufacturers have adapted. Itís just a sad truth.


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Old 08-21-2019, 10:58 AM   #62
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Yet so many firearm manufacturers want to see their customers have brand loyalty and make multiple firearm purchases.


Those manufacturers who live by the military/LEO contract, die by the military/LEO contract. Proceed with caution.


They can't have it both ways. Vanilla is nice, but it gets old fast.
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Yet so many firearm manufacturers want to see their customers have brand loyalty and make multiple firearm purchases.


Those manufacturers who live by the military/LEO contract, die by the military/LEO contract. Proceed with caution.

They can't have it both ways. Vanilla is nice, but it gets old fast.
You raise a good point. Colt comes to mind. HK and Walther to an extent.

Walther seems to be attempting a push into the competition gun niche with the PPQ Q5 and SF. With their PPK/s they seem to going after the retro nostalgia niche.

Seems like they are at least trying to broaden their appeal beyond the polymer duty gun niche.

My overall impression though is Walther is small. With limited resources. They seem to really try to pick their spots, not that they always get it right. They do not seem to be Sig or the Smith of old with cash to burn.

I'd love to see them build more retro guns i.e. the P38,P5,P88, Olympia , ... rather than the junk coming out of Umarex but it doesnt seem to be in the cards. I guess it's a numbers thing, do they make more money selling one retro P88 or five PK380s? Factor in cost to manufacture and number of buyers willing to put down the cash for the gun.
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Some manufacturers have done a run of older style, classic all steel pistols. CZ and Radom ran the CZ75 and Radom VIS respectively, and collectors were ready with money, and delighted that they did. Maybe Walther and others can be motivated with a high dollar, collectible issue of some of their classic pistols.
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Some manufacturers have done a run of older style, classic all steel pistols. CZ and Radom ran the CZ75 and Radom VIS respectively, and collectors were ready with money, and delighted that they did. Maybe Walther and others can be motivated with a high dollar, collectible issue of some of their classic pistols.

What did those RADOM pistols go for? And that was with somewhat cheaper Polish labor.
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... For example, my pistol, my favorite pistol, is the FN Hi Power. Not a better made pistol anywhere. Obsolete, FN has no reason to continue making them.

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I am always amazed at absolute statements like that! I have owned or shot so many more handguns than the average gun enthusiast and it has made me even more careful of choosing an "absolute best" gun.

I just wonder if you had the opportunity to compare a Swiss P210 to a Belgian T-series High Power. I have several of both and the P210 is not just finished much better but has much tighter tolerances, which leads to considerably better mechanical accuracy and all that while maintaining reliability. When the trigger characteristics of the P210 are included into the consideration, it becomes clear why it is a long-time favourite of European service pistol competitors.

Actually, I did a side-by-side comparison of a few pistols last year and the FN HP did not do better than any of them - and I did not even take a P5 along.

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I am always amazed at absolute statements like that! I have owned or shot so many more handguns than the average gun enthusiast and it has made me even more careful of choosing an "absolute best" gun.



I just wonder if you had the opportunity to compare a Swiss P210 to a Belgian T-series High Power. I have several of both and the P210 is not just finished much better but has much tighter tolerances, which leads to considerably better mechanical accuracy and all that while maintaining reliability. When the trigger characteristics of the P210 are included into the consideration, it becomes clear why it is a long-time favourite of European service pistol competitors.



Actually, I did a side-by-side comparison of a few pistols last year and the FN HP did not do better than any of them - and I did not even take a P5 along.



Notice I said none better, not best.


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Also, keep in mind one of my EDC is a tweaked sub compact 1911. But that is a far cry from a heavy, unwieldy and hard to market P38.

my P38 was made in 1940 and I have PPKs from pre war and an Interarms .380. But, Iíve got a 10 shot Sig that fits in a pocket and is nearly as accurate as the P38. Weíve come a long way.


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Also, keep in mind one of my EDC is a tweaked sub compact 1911. But that is a far cry from a heavy, unwieldy and hard to market P38.

my P38 was made in 1940 and I have PPKs from pre war and an Interarms .380. But, Iíve got a 10 shot Sig that fits in a pocket and is nearly as accurate as the P38. Weíve come a long way.


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The 1940 P38 came a long way too. I have a pair of NIB P5s that came with sub 1" bench rested 25 meter test targets, impressive for a 3.5" barrel by modern standards.


I would put my P5 Lang up against the finest custom 1911 produced today. It's a tack driver out of the box (with 124gr/1200fps ammo).
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The 1940 P38 came a long way too. I have a pair of NIB P5s that came with sub 1" bench rested 25 meter test targets, impressive for a 3.5" barrel by modern standards.


I would put my P5 Lang up against the finest custom 1911 produced today. It's a tack driver out of the box (with 124gr/1200fps ammo).
I certainly donít disagree that the accuracy was great... itís more the usefulness... itís just a big heavy honking pistol. Itís why they donít make them. If there was a market...


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