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Old 07-26-2019, 01:45 AM   #21
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Uber, I love your collection pics, esp. those P-5s.

So Gremanm but also so Dutch,,jsut like me.

When I was in contact with the Politie, they all carried the P-5
pistol., and it was very popular in S.Africa as a undercover arm.

I've hadPPQ andPPK/s pistols, but have never, ever fired a real deal
P-38.

MY favorite Walther airsoft was the Legend PPKs and rapidly replaced by the
Legend P--38/

35 years wit all kinds of CZs, and I find the P-38 to be one of the best feeling handguns in my life.

I would still like afford a PP from NRW or a wartime one in .32 ACP.

Then there is the P-5, P-5 Compact... and also the P88 and P-88 Compact.
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Old 07-26-2019, 09:23 AM   #22
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PP, P5, P5 Compact, P88, and P88 Compact........yessir, you have your priorities in life squared away, and you almost have all of them in the right order
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Old 07-26-2019, 12:41 PM   #23
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PP, P5, P5 Compact, P88, and P88 Compact........yessir, you have your priorities in life squared away, and you almost have all of them in the right order

One omission in his post, the P5 Lang. All the P38/P5 goodness, with the addition of a 6" barrel/long sight radius inherent accuracy. Make the P5 a tack driver.
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One omission in his post, the P5 Lang. All the P38/P5 goodness, with the addition of a 6" barrel/long sight radius inherent accuracy. Make the P5 a tack driver.
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Just posted up a group pic on another thread, it's the apex P5 of my collection......
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Old 07-26-2019, 04:30 PM   #26
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That's a very nice collection.
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Old 07-27-2019, 07:22 AM   #27
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I find it interesting that the P38 still has a following. When the P1 was the standard pistol in the German Bundeswehr, most soldiers shot it poorly and complained about the gun. The sergeant's standard answer was " when someone cannot shoot, he blames it on the gun, if he can't swim , it's the swimwear". The average scores with the P8, basically an HK USP version, was quite a bit better for the common soldier, for the top shots it made little to no difference. This was particularly obvious in reserve matches that for years used the P1 and P8.

In the try outs in the 1980s between the P5, P7/PSP, and the P6 the cops that participated all preferred the P5 - and not just by a small margin.
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............In the try outs in the 1980s between the P5, P7/PSP, and the P6 the cops that participated all preferred the P5 - and not just by a small margin.

Yet overall production #s of the P5/P6/P7 show the bean counters won in the end.


Most German officers were issued P6s, the least expensive.


The least produced/issued was the P7, the most expensive.
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Yet overall production #s of the P5/P6/P7 show the bean counters won in the end.


Most German officers were issued P6s, the least expensive.


The least produced/issued was the P7, the most expensive.
And the P7 was quickly abandoned by the only German law enforcement agency that cared about firearms and shooting; the BGS. The GSG 9 dropped the P7 after house clearing drills.
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I find it interesting that the P38 still has a following.
The P38 is more common, cheaper, was produced in more variants, and has a more interesting service history. It also has a more distinctive look to it. The P5 may have a better DA trigger but in SA I still prefer my P38's.

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When the P1 was the standard pistol in the German Bundeswehr, most soldiers shot it poorly and complained about the gun.
Sounds just like the GI's who shot worn out 1911's and M9's.
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