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Old 04-14-2019, 03:05 PM   #681
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[QUOTE=MGMike;1190906]How could it reasonably be considered a "normal function" for two parts which ordinarily have no mechanical interaction to be violently gnashing themselves together, leaving a gouge in the barrel which ought to tell any engineer that something is not right and needs correction?

My guess is that Walther's engineers long ago identified the flaw, but management told them to ignore it. It's cheaper to declare that it's
"normal".
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“And that’s why I sold my Sig p365 and have a m1 (Classic) Walther PPS and not the M2 version. Plus I like a paddle mag release. I had zero love for that p365!!”
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:20 PM   #682
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My guess is that Walther's engineers long ago identified the flaw, but management told them to ignore it. It's cheaper to declare that it's "normal".

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they figured it would cost more to recall and implement a fix rather than just "let it go" and fix the guns that people noticed it on (and let's be honest. This is a self defense pistol where 99% of their buyers shoot a few hundred rounds over the lifetime of owning the gun, and only us "shooters" are going to actually notice the issue.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:59 PM   #683
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This issue is a real shame, I'd like a PPS but with this issue and the lack of acknowledgement of there being a problem is very disheartening and reflects negatively on Walther as whole. There is no excuse to be selling a pistol in 2019 that beats it self up if used, if something's been properly engineered it shouldn't do something like that.
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Old 04-26-2019, 12:25 PM   #684
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This issue is a real shame, I'd like a PPS but with this issue and the lack of acknowledgement of there being a problem is very disheartening and reflects negatively on Walther as whole.
I think I mentioned this long ago, when this issue first raised its ugly head, but it lost them future sales with me. I would have bought a PPQ M2 .45 ACP had it not been for this and the flaking barrel issue. My "combat-style" .22 LR would probably have been a PPQ 22. Instead I bought a Sig P320F for my .45 ACP and I'm looking to acquire a Taurus TX22 for the combat-style .22 LR.

The wife of one of my best friends really likes my PPS M2. My guess is that as soon as I tell them about this problem, and that Walther has taken the position it's "normal," that'll kill that idea. A colleague liked my PPS M2. After hearing about this issue, and Walther's response, he went with an S&W Shield, instead.

I suppose I have only a couple hundred rounds through my PPS M2. It hasn't yet shown any signs of having the trigger-bar-chamber-impingment problem. I'm hoping it stays that way, because it's my favourite carry piece & I'd hate to have to replace it.
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Old 07-27-2019, 08:13 PM   #685
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Update: mine is still going strong and no further peening noted. Also I was on the SIG forum today and it’s not a good day for the P365. Apparently peening on their barrel and underside of the slide is being noted. Just keeping an eye out on this but the PPS isn’t alone here.
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Old 07-27-2019, 08:25 PM   #686
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Update: mine is still going strong and no further peening noted. Also I was on the SIG forum today and itís not a good day for the P365. Apparently peening on their barrel and underside of the slide is being noted. Just keeping an eye out on this but the PPS isnít alone here.
my new PPS M2 (the third one I've owned) has no peening either. I noticed when I got it that the trigger bar didnt' swing out towards the center on reset like my other two, and so far it's been perfect. It's my second favorite single stack (the shield being my favorite as it just fits my hands perfectly)

and not surprising on the P365... there have been lots of quirky reports on that gun, so nothing surprises me after Sig cheaped out and used steel from India for the gun.
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Old 07-28-2019, 07:09 AM   #687
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As others have done, I talked to Ft Smith on 7/25/19 about this peening issue and as they have told others, I was told it a normal thing. It is caused by the trigger bar, which is not held tightly to the frame inside but can drift inward during cycling allowing it to hit the barrel. I was assured it would wear only so much then stop, as mine appears to have done now. The guy I talked to said they knew about it but in an effort to make the gun as slim as possible, really couldnít do anything about it other than to tell us to carry on. My gun has well over 1,500 rounds through it with perfect function other than this, and itís not affecting accuracy or reliability one bit really, so I will just do as they said and continue to shoot and carry it. Like it? No. Is it a big issue? Not really. The gun works and can be had at a great price. If I had paid $1,000 for it that would be one thing; but to expect perfect design and exactness in Manufacturing in a $300 pistol is not realistic in my mind. The PPS M2 is not perfect but it is a darn good CCW piece. Carry on.


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Old 07-28-2019, 08:53 AM   #688
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No peening problems observed on my recently acquired PPS M2 (serial no. AX8nnn). The attached images, taken after yesterday's range session, show the relevant areas after several hundred rounds.

I was aware of the peening issue prior to acquiring the gun. Upon taking delivery of it, I did notice that the spur on the trigger bar was rounded and polished to a very high sheen, and was wondering if this had always been the case, or something Walther had started doing recently to mitigate the peening issue.
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Old 07-28-2019, 11:39 AM   #689
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I was aware of the peening issue prior to acquiring the gun. Upon taking delivery of it, I did notice that the spur on the trigger bar was rounded and polished to a very high sheen, and was wondering if this had always been the case, or something Walther had started doing recently to mitigate the peening issue.
The trigger bar shine is likely just wear in. My PPS classic is mirror shine and no peening.
My theory of peening in the M2 is due to trigger bar tilt in the firing cycle. Cruciform end tilt lhs downward then front of trigger bar swings toward center.
Likely from the design change of the trigger and sear housing , different/no trigger guide as in the classic. The trigger bar must clear the barrel and travel into the "slot". If tilt the trigger bar hits the barrel and peens.
Possibly Walther has put in assembler instructions to check proper
alingnment to avoid tilting.
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