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Old 06-16-2019, 01:16 PM   #1
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Really liked the trigger on this pistol when I purchased it. Not a lot of take-up, solid wall and a crisp break. I liked the way the pistol felt and I picked up an 8 round mag for the range.

I have since purchased a Glock 17 Gen 5 to shoot GSSF indoor matches and took some instruction from one of my local range officers. He gave me some pointers that really helped my accuracy and worked on getting me to shoot to reset. I’ve shot and dry fired the G17 exclusively for the last month and focus on shooting to reset.

Today, I took my PPS MS to the range for the first time in a couple of months. Hmm... I don’t like this trigger as much as I thought I did. The reset is almost all the way back. I probably realized it before, but as I didn’t shoot to reset, it never really hit me until today.
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Old 06-16-2019, 01:43 PM   #2
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The PPS M2 is for self defense. I don't compare mine to my P99s or my PPQ which both have very short trigger resets. I'm pretty sure my Glock may as well. These guns and triggers are like apples and oranges but they perform their jobs well. The good thing is there are several other options out there if you don't want yours at this point.
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Old 06-16-2019, 01:54 PM   #3
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What do you mean by "shoot to reset"?

Personally I let the trigger out a fair way right after striker/hammer drop. I shoot various pistols with different reset lengths and this works well for me.

Ernest Langdon has some excellent short videos on trigger reset.


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Old 06-16-2019, 03:19 PM   #4
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What I had been doing was letting trigger go all the way back out instead of to the reset. I think the term is slapping the trigger. Now I concentrate on not letting it out all the way and only going back to the reset point before pulling again.
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Old 06-16-2019, 07:26 PM   #5
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Well that is the challenge with that technique as it can cause problems when shooting pistols with longer resets. That is why I like to let the trigger most of the way out as last thing I ever want to worry about is short stroking a pistol during a self defense situation. You may have to try out other CCW pistols to see if you can find one that suits your needs better than the PPS. Maybe a Glock 43, 43X, or 48 would work better for you.

I also found that for myself better grip technique and increasing my grip/arm/shoulder strength via conditioning ( I am old LOL) helped improve accuracy in both slow and faster shooting. Sometimes I like to dry fire shooting just 9LB DA trigger pull fairly rapidly with my HK P30L keeping on target for 20-30 times. I use a laser cartridge to get better feedback from dry fire. After that SA dry firing is a piece of cake for me.
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Old 06-16-2019, 09:42 PM   #6
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I'm not a fan of shooting to reset on a defensive pistol. I think it's a technique more suited to competition.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:10 AM   #7
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What I had been doing was letting trigger go all the way back out instead of to the reset. I think the term is slapping the trigger. Now I concentrate on not letting it out all the way and only going back to the reset point before pulling again.
I have maintained for a couple decades that you can learn a trigger if you apply yourself to doing it. I like the M2 trigger and by range and dry firing I have learned it. I have done that with all of the different pistols I have owned. I even learned the RM380 trigger getting used to managing the long and heavy trigger pull.

To learn the trigger I initially dry fire with my eyes closed and no interfering sounds. I do 50 reps each day for a week. At the end of the week I can sense the break and reset ver well. Then I apply that at the range and get accustomed to the trigger in live fire. It works.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:55 AM   #8
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As mentioned the PPS is primarily a conceal carry pistol. The reset isn’t the shortest, but the trigger action is very good. By contrast the PPQ has a very short and light reset. It’s great at the range, but I can tell you I’ve had more then one “accidental” discharges in the beginning when sighting follow up shots. The short reset and light trigger and not a lot of pressure in my part allowed me to fire off a round while getting the pistol back on sight.

I’ve had a friend who primarily shoots revolvers put the PPQ down at the range for just that reason.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:18 PM   #9
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I agree with what has been said here about learning a trigger. As to other pistols, I also have a Glock 43 and shoot it better, and it conceals better.

I have been dry firing the new Glock 17 regularly and it only helps me even more with the 43.

I would dry fire the PPS M2 much more, but I read on this forum that it would lead to cracking the striker guide. I even bought some snap caps for it, but find it boring to eject the five rounds and then search for them on the floor.

I may just put it away for awhile and then try it again later. Or, I may just shoot it more often to see what I can do with it. It’s been flawless so far. May have a pin walking out on the grip, but I’ll start a different thread for that discussion.
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:14 AM   #10
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Like you I have only recently bought a PPS, mine is the LE version with luminous sights and three magazines. I only had it to the range twice so far due record rain and other things that have gotten in the way lately. I have been dry firing it a lot.


My first striker fired handguns were all Glocks, only buying other brands in the last 6 years or so because of the severe, really severe, brass-to-face issues I encountered with my two new 2012 Gen4 Glock 19s. I currently own five Glocks including two G43s with Truglo TFO sights. Those have been my warm weather carry guns for the past 3 years.


Glock triggers get a lot of flack with generally only true fanboys describing them as "very good". I describe them as "useable" for their intended purpose of mostly self defense. I put my PPS trigger in that same category.


I own three PPQs, one each in M1, M2 and Q5 Match configurations. I do carry the M1 in jacket and coat weather. People describe the Q trigger as "light". My Lyman electronic trigger gauge shows it to be about 3 tenths of a pound lighter than my Glock 19s. The real difference is that the Q trigger is super smooth, which the Glock trigger isn't. The Q trigger definitely "feels" slightly lighter, but it has never been a problem for me. I DO NOT shoot to reset. Others can argue whether that is a good idea or not, but simply because one person said it is best does not mean it really is best for everyone. In shooting, as in life itself, there is seldom just one correct way to do something.


In another thread I posted that my first six shots at 10 yards with my PPS could be covered with a quarter and the seventh was only a half inch away. That is the best first shots of any of my recent new polymer framed striker fired handguns regardless of size. I've shot 3000+ rounds through my two Glock 43s and still can't shoot a group that size with them. My aging eyes cannot clearly focus on the front sight of small handguns which is why I like luminous sights and TFOs sights on them.


OP, you should not hurt your PPS dry firing with snap caps. If it does damage this gun then I don't want it as every handgun I own, except .22s, have been dry fired with snap caps extensively. And you don't have to fully eject a snap cap. Just pull it back slightly to reset the trigger. I'm guessing I've dry fired my PPS at least 400 times just in the short time I've owned it.


I hope your opinion of your PPS improves, but if it doesn't then sell it and move on. I like my Walthers, but am not a fanboy nor a hater of any brand. I own a bunch of handguns of various brands and models. If one doesn't suit me then it's gone to be replaced by something else. My PPS is new so the verdict is still out on whether it is a keeper or not. Based on my initial handling and shooting impressions it will find a permanent place in my collection of handguns.


Good luck with your own.
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