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Old 05-06-2019, 03:57 PM   #21
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I like both generations of PPS, but prefer the generation 1.

Subjective: I prefer the paddle release, I prefer the P99 inspired design/appearance, and I prefer the cleaner slide without forward serrations.

Objective: The gen 1 has never had reports of peening, and it's never had a recall. The gen 2 has had reports of peening and went thru a recall. Both minor strikes against.

The rail is irrelevant on a subcompact carry.

The only advantage of the gen 2 in my opinion is the deletion of the backstrap disabling feature. I put rubber grips on mine, and have considered super glue to prevent removal.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:42 PM   #22
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Want a Chevy? You will LOVE the Shield. Want a BMW? Buy the M1, the M2 is a VW Jetta, for the masses.


In close in incursion anti-terrorist settings, the PPS M1 would be the professional's pick.


It isn't even a discussion. Followed closely by P6.
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Old 05-06-2019, 06:01 PM   #23
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Xoperator: what's your estimate of the Sig P365?
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Old 05-06-2019, 06:30 PM   #24
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S&W was the company that started the whole affordable quality thin compact single stack poly frame pistol and they have been very successful at it.

The Shield also has some advantages over PPS:

Usually lower price and was much lower for a long time.
Much more advertising and for longer time.
Lower weight.
One round more capacity for the same size magazine.
Much larger availability of holsters, at least earlier.
Came from a much much larger line of poly M&P pistols.
More varieties of Shield including models with safety.
S&W is almost a household name among Americans versus Walther.

Not surprising to me about S&Ws runaway success with the Shield.
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S&W was the company that started the whole affordable quality thin compact single stack poly frame pistol...
You mean when they came out with the Shield 7 years after the PPS?
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On the P365

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Xoperator: what's your estimate of the Sig P365?

I own a Q5, PPS M1-40, p99CAS, S&W 36, two Picos (the Beretta vehicle security accessory) a SA 911, and a P365 among others. As a concealable high capacity 9mm, for civilian CCW, I believe it's best in class. Likely a decent backup, and after doing it in the '80s, a lot smaller than a Beretta 84b as a back up. Probably great on an ankle. I have ~2500 rounds through it, a complete dogs breakfast of '60s-current lousy crap ammo, NOT one FTF or FTE. Exceptionally reliable.



On incursions into populated crowds with a single handgun to seek a hostage taker? Single stack magazine, please. Of current production?.... P225, PPS....


BTW: I prefer the S&W marked PPS M1 (either caliber to the Ulm one).... SS slide, I live in FL.
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I have a BE date stamp PPS M1.
I bought it before the price MSRP drop by Walther.
There were many more shields at the LGS compared to the PPS.
I thought many gun buyers were price driven and more comfortable with the S&W brand and may not have had a pps at the gun counter to compare too.
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I have a BE date stamp PPS M1.
I bought it before the price MSRP drop by Walther.
There were many more shields at the LGS compared to the PPS.
I thought many gun buyers were price driven and more comfortable with the S&W brand and may not have had a pps at the gun counter to compare too.

Mine is a BA (.40) with an AE prefix. I bought it at the FGE in the first lot they received ... Had Bullard make me a holster, a tuckable IWB with a J Hook, Fantastic...
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You mean when they came out with the Shield 7 years after the PPS?
Yep. Walther was marketing the PPS as a higher end pistol with the $700 price tag and it did not sell well at all. Smith and Wesson came out with the Shield at a much better price point (hence my description of affordable) with major advertising support and it sold like crazy.
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:37 PM   #30
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When I chose the Shield over a PPS I could get a Shield with real night sights - which I have had on most of my carry pistols for many years - but could not get 'em on a PPS. In addition, S&W had a terrific rebate deal going at the time, which increased the Shield's price advantage even more than usual. And - IIRC - at the time the Shield magazines held 1 more round than comparable PPS mags. That may not be true today, but I think it was a few years ago.

When Walther came up with a similar rebate I got a PPS as well. I enjoy shooting both of 'em about the same. But now that IDPA has a class for these little guns I use the Shield in matches. Largely because that's what I carry. However, even if I could get comparably sized PPS mags I would compete with the Shield because their magazines are cheaper - I just wouldn't want to be dropping those gorgeous Mec Gars in the rocks during mag changes.

BTW, after I got the PPS I had occasion to talk to Walther CS about the unavailability of night sights. The guy I talked to said they couldn't justify the costs they would have to incur to meet the nuclear regulatory standards to store the quantity of night sights they would have to keep on hand for factory installation. Don't know if that was actually true, and if so, whether it's changed since then.
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