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olsoul 08-14-2013 05:52 PM

Factory Night Sight Installation
 
I need some advice from the forum.
I have a set of very bright Walther Night sights I'd like to install on my Navy Q...the front is simple...screwdriver and blue loctite.

It is the rear that troubles me. I know they are removed from the left and the new set installed from that direction but past that I'm at sea (appropriate with a Navy Q).

There seems to be nothing online that will give me guidance.

Would clamping the slide between wooden blocks and tapping out the sight with a wooden dowel or nylon punch work and reinstalling the new sight the same way?

I know S&W ruined a bunch of FE slides doing this and just hope some of you have done this install.

I've seen Glock Tru Dot rear sights done this way and it looks to be similar, but would like the help of those with some experience.

Ratchetjaw 08-14-2013 06:00 PM

No tapping is needed. There is a screw back right of sight. Unscrew. Depress plunger and slide sight out opposite side with finger pressure. Take old sight. Totally remove screw. Screw Into new sight and slide back on then tighten screw

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olsoul 08-14-2013 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratchetjaw (Post 287935)
No tapping is needed. There is a screw back right of sight. Unscrew. Depress plunger and slide sight out opposite side with finger pressure. Take old sight. Totally remove screw. Screw Into new sight and slide back on then tighten screw

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Sorry it is not that type of sight. No screw, plunger or spring involved here...those are easy.

These sights are exactly like the sights installed on the Walther PPQ First Edition. It has the toothed roll pin (a compression roll pin).
https://vgy.me/1JrdI8.jpg

https://vgy.me/ehWVcL.jpg

https://vgy.me/rCNv7y.jpg

Ratchetjaw 08-14-2013 06:18 PM

Oh okay sorry about that. I haven't changed that type

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jqunac 08-14-2013 08:33 PM

I'm in the same boat with a set of Meps 18802. I'd really like to see a video but it would also help to have very detailed explanation of getting that rear started.

olsoul 08-14-2013 10:01 PM

I'm going to try with a P500 sight pusher...if I don't like the way it goes, I guess I pack everything off to Earl.

Unless folks here have a better suggestion.

markevanthomas 08-15-2013 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by olsoul (Post 287940)
Sorry it is not that type of sight. No screw, plunger or spring involved here...those are easy.

Have you called our service folks?

sarel.wagner 08-15-2013 03:36 AM

Installed my trijcon sights finally 😁👍 removed the old metal sight by clamping in a vice with plastic jaws, tapped it out with a punch.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/15/mygeguby.jpg

olsoul 08-15-2013 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by markevanthomas (Post 288018)
Have you called our service folks?

Thanks Mark, yes I did, and they even suggested I send them the slide...

PeterTheFish 08-15-2013 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olsoul (Post 287932)
I need some advice from the forum.
I have a set of very bright Walther Night sights I'd like to install on my Navy Q...the front is simple...screwdriver and blue loctite.

It is the rear that troubles me. I know they are removed from the left and the new set installed from that direction but past that I'm at sea (appropriate with a Navy Q).

There seems to be nothing online that will give me guidance.

Would clamping the slide between wooden blocks and tapping out the sight with a wooden dowel or nylon punch work and reinstalling the new sight the same way?

I know S&W ruined a bunch of FE slides doing this and just hope some of you have done this install.

I've seen Glock Tru Dot rear sights done this way and it looks to be similar, but would like the help of those with some experience.

I believe there is a special tool used to compress the claw spring for install. If I recall a member here has one and may install them for you if you ask nicely and they are still around. Barring that you may want to ask Walther.

I will see if I can find the old thread and post here.

PeterTheFish 08-15-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTheFish (Post 288050)
I believe there is a special tool used to compress the claw spring for install. If I recall a member here has one and may install them for you if you ask nicely and they are still around. Barring that you may want to ask Walther.

I will see if I can find the old thread and post here.

Thread was titled PPQ first edition sloppy night sight installation or something similar. Member is Uncut.

balance 08-15-2013 10:22 AM

If you decide to clamp the slide in a vice, I would strongly suggest that you don't tighten it too hard. There is a chance that you can bend the slide in the area where it is the thinnest/weakest, around the slide rail guides.

I had my gunsmith install the factory night sights on my PPQ. I don't know how he did it, but when asked how hard the install was afterwards, he stated that "it was no big deal".

The tool to compress the roll pin would make it easier to get the roll pin over the sharp edge on the recess where the spring loaded plunger sits. Remember to install the sight from the right-to-left direction. S&W did it the other way and screwed up the slides on a multitude of FE PPQ pistols.

Noodles 08-15-2013 11:56 AM

Do not put in a vise and tap it in. Either buy a sight pusher tool or send it to Walther.

I bought the pusher tool. Removed the same sights from my PPQ FE and put them on my PPS.

It wasn't hard, but the roll pin makes for a difficult go if you think you're going to tap it in. It should be drifted. And there is no compression tool that I know of, there is a sloped cut in the PPS and PPQ iirc that forces the pin as it goes in. Again, this works well with a pusher tool.

Personally.... I removed those very sights so I won't be much help here. They were fine for sight picture, but honestly I can't go back to stock style sights after using others. My current favorite is the Dawson black rear with red fiber front, watched my groups impressively shrink and they are a LOT faster for me. If 10-8 ever comes around I'll give them a try because of the U-notch, but I'll likely still try and roll fiber if I can. Maybe if the 10-8 works for height with the AmeriGlo I'll take one of those and mill it out to the correct notch size, but that's down the road at best.

But, these are fine sights all things considered. They're the smoothest and lowest profile I've seen yet. I have a metal non-NS set somewhere in my centerfire handgun box I'm sure.

SmokinSigs357 08-15-2013 01:01 PM

OK...those look EXACTLY like the Meprolight 18802s that I installed in my PPS last night in 15 minutes.

Go to the PPS thread on here and check out my post and follow the directions accordingly.

I snapped the roll pin in using a towel and appropriately adjusted Channel-Locks.

Essentially, I took my slide, a brass punch, and some blue Loctite to my dad's house last night and put the slide in his wood vise. Tapped out the old rear site (after spraying some CLP on it and let it soak in for a couple of minutes) from left to right (shooting view) with the brass punch and a brad nail hammer.

Tapped new site in with dowel and framing hammer from right to left.

You do NOT need to put the slide in the vise tight AT ALL. It is basically just acting as a 3rd hand for you.

Super easy.

balance 08-15-2013 03:25 PM

Quote:

OK...those look EXACTLY like the Meprolight 18802s that I installed in my PPS last night in 15 minutes.
Installing them on the PPS should be easier, since the PPS has a ramp on the right side to help slide the sight and roll pin in place.

On the P99 and PPQ, there is a 90 degree angle there that the roll pin has to move up and over.

The PPS doesn't have that hole for the spring loaded plunger that the 99-series pistols have.

olsoul 08-15-2013 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by balance (Post 288054)
Remember to install the sight from the right-to-left direction. S&W did it the other way and screwed up the slides on a multitude of FE PPQ pistols.

The instructions from Walther say just the opposite...(looking down at the top of the slide with the rear sight closest to you and the front pointing away from you)
1. <----- Remove rear Sight (from rt to left)
2. -----> Install new Sight (from left to rt)

I do have a P500 on the way and I'll post a report of exactly what I do plus images.

Until I get the sight pusher I'd be pleased to hear more ideas and suggestions!

jqunac 08-15-2013 09:34 PM

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Couldn't find a gunsmith to install the Meps 18802 sights so I decided to charge ahead.

After fitting the rear sight to the slide by stoning it I used a small hammer and plastic punch to knock it in place. Little taps were a waste of time you have to whack it good.

Had to shorten the front screw a bit to tighten it up then used blue Loctite around the base where it meets the slide and the screw of course.

Sights look like the were made for the PPQ by matching the contour of slide and they are nice and bright. Glad that install is done it was rough without a vise.

olsoul 08-17-2013 08:44 AM

A quick update...the P500 sight pusher arrives this afternoon...
I called Walther CS again yesterday and talked to Jason who got a smith. Apparently trying this without a pusher can be problematic.
I was also told it doesn't matter which direction it is done from as long as the sight and pusher have been properly aligned.

I am told because of the detent space and the "bow" of the groves of the sight channels it is actually easier to insert the sight from the left, the compression pin actually gets started in the sight cutout and then the "bow" presses it into the cutout to hold the sight in place...doing it from the other side may cause the compression pin to catch against the inside of the detent hole channel...

Anyway I'm going to be taking this very,very slowly and no more coffee for me today until this process is over! If I don't like the way things are going it is off to Walther!

I'll post images of the process.

PeterTheFish 08-17-2013 08:48 AM

olsoul:

Looking forward to hearing how this goes. I have the factory night sights on my P99 and much prefer them to any of the aftermarket sights available, and the adjustable sights too for that matter.

balance 08-17-2013 08:59 AM

Quote:

The instructions from Walther say just the opposite...(looking down at the top of the slide with the rear sight closest to you and the front pointing away from you)
1. <----- Remove rear Sight (from rt to left)
2. -----> Install new Sight (from left to rt)
This is news to me. I heard the opposite, and on the PPS, it is done right-to-left as well.

Good luck and let us know how it works out.

olsoul 08-17-2013 08:06 PM

Installation Report
 
To say I approached this project with trepidation would be an understatement! And I do appreciate all the advice, help and support the forum members gave me. Walther customer service also went above and beyond in giving me support.

As there was no way I was going to try and tap out the sight, I splurged on a P500 sight pusher....I'll give away the ending by saying it is worth every penny.

After field stripping my Navy Q I used the flat bladed screw driver from my Swiss Army knife to remove the front sight. My install might be a bit different so I'll explain. I put a dollop of blue loctite on a plastic card. I then put the screw in the slot of the slide, holding it fast with my finger. I took a toothpick and applied loctite to the threads which stick up through the slide. I then threaded the front sight down on the screw (about 3 or 4 turns). I pushed the front slight into the slot, turned the slide over and tightened down the screw...easy as anything.

http://i.imgur.com/hH87t3s.jpg

I then inserted the slide in the P500 making sure the rear sight was aligned with the pusher. I tightened the slide down and adjusted the pusher height to the sight. By the way the P500 is extremely over built and has inserts which make it extremely hard to mar your weapon.

http://i.imgur.com/V8IbjHu.jpg

you can see this pusher is no flimsy piece of metal.

I decided to follow the advice of the Walther instructions and the Walther smith and push the sight out from right to left

http://i.imgur.com/TQdC91M.jpg

I did this very slowly but it slid right out without much effort (although I could not have done it without the allen wrench).

http://i.imgur.com/m4bEnwy.jpg

I started the new sight from the left side and angled down into the channel to take advantage of the bowed groove. It took me a few minutes but I just used my fingers to start it. I then pushed the sight in about 3 turns, backed off the pusher and readjusted it, three more turns and readjusted again, by this time the rear sight had passed the start of the bow and the compression roll pin had cleared the slide and the sight was parallel to the slide. About 25 more turns and the sight was installed!
http://i.imgur.com/2AR2s22.jpg


I fine tuned the sight a bit but will take the pusher to the range in case I need more adjustments.


http://i.imgur.com/hCQRLaM.jpg

I'm rather pleased with the outcome and proud to have done the job myself! I doubt the whole job took 45 minutes but it seemed like 2 hours.

Again to all of you, my thanks! And yes, this job can be done at home with the proper tools!

imaoldfart 08-17-2013 08:24 PM

Good job Olsoul......you're a bigger man than me. Really happy it worked out for ya.....and yeah, using the right tools is always a plus.

PeterTheFish 08-17-2013 08:34 PM

Thanks!!! I've been putting off buying a sight pusher but this is going to push me over the edge. OEM night sights on my PPS coming up!!!

balance 08-17-2013 09:35 PM

Good job, and welcome to the club. :D

That sight pusher looks like it was made to be used commercially. It does look overbuilt.

olsoul 08-18-2013 05:07 PM

Thanks balance....I'm still marveling at the job...:D
I'm swamped with student divers but hope to get to the range Wednesday or Thursday to see if I need more adjustments...I eye balled it in fairly well if I do say so myself...but proof is in the putting.

Sure glad I don't push sights for a living.

skeeter149 08-18-2013 06:44 PM

damnit i really dont wanna spend the 130ish to change a under warranty night sight. looks like i gotta send the slide to walther, i just wish they didnt make me pay for shipping. ruger covers the shipping on warranty.

olsoul 08-22-2013 02:03 PM

Here is my first magazine with the Navy Q after the new sights were installed...I rested the grip on a 4 lb soft dive weight as I couldn't get hold of a real rest to use....I shot this mag at 25 feet....I was going to go to 15 if there were problems but I think this is close enough for government work:

http://i.imgur.com/L2RjONT.jpg

I shot at various distances from 15 to 75 feet today....the sights seem just fine.

http://i.imgur.com/I4Kgfx5.jpg

Noodles 08-22-2013 02:17 PM

Good job. I did the same thing with a way worse tool. That tool I recently just broke trying to push some M&P stock shield sights out. So I need a new one anyhow.

I did like those sights on my FE just fine, but I'm still searching for the white buffalo.

balance 08-22-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

I'm swamped with student divers but hope to get to the range Wednesday or Thursday to see if I need more adjustments...I eye balled it in fairly well if I do say so myself...but proof is in the putting.
I attach a laser to the accessory rail when changing sights. Align the laser to the POA of the factory sights, then adjust the new sights to the POA of the laser afterwards.

I should have mentioned this earlier, but it slipped my mind. I haven't changed sights myself in a while.

fosser2 09-26-2013 06:50 PM

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So is a sight pusher the only way to install the Factory Night Sights? I am trying to get them to fit onto my PPQ M2 and the rear sight won't go on at all. Any thoughts? I would also like to know how these OEM night sights are wind adjustable. I can't figure that out yet either.

Lastly I would love to see what the top of the instructions say. Walther felt the need to cut the top off of my instructions...

olsoul 09-26-2013 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fosser2 (Post 296941)
So is a sight pusher the only way to install the Factory Night Sights? I am trying to get them to fit onto my PPQ M2 and the rear sight won't go on at all. Any thoughts? I would also like to know how these OEM night sights are wind adjustable. I can't figure that out yet either.

I'm sure some wise person can tap the rear sight in without a sight pusher but I know I sure wouldn't be able to. You may need to find someone who can lend you one or ask a gunsmith for help.

As to wind adjustments...I'd eye ball it to center and bench test it then readjust with a pusher or use the laser sight as mentioned above (again you'll need a pusher). These sight are not click adjustable. Once you have it centered it shouldn't need to be adjusted again.

About the instructions....mine were the same way.....

Boogs 09-27-2013 04:04 PM

Excellent thread!

...I'll have to send you my slide, OS

Slenteng 09-30-2013 07:34 PM

2 questions. 1.Were you able to remove the rear sight? 2.You were able to push the rear sight although it has a retaining tabs at all four corners and is held in from beneath by upward pressure?

olsoul 09-30-2013 07:40 PM

If you look at the pictures I posted you'll see I was entirely successful. Those are not actually tabs at all, just extremely thin metal.
The compression roll pin gave no trouble at all but I was using a very robust sight pusher.

Slenteng 09-30-2013 07:52 PM

My apologies olsoul, you were correct sir....they can indeed be drifted out. I was able to get them out with a brass punch.

Thunderbirdsport302 10-29-2013 11:49 PM

This thread is invaluable, and I'm asking for it to be stickied.

I too want PPS sights on my PPQ (the 9mm, as I already have Meps on my .40).

I've even emailed Trijicon asking if they would take my steel PPS stock sights and make them into night sights..awaiting their reply.

If they will, then I plan to purchase 2 sets of stock PPS sights, and send in to Trijicon to have worked into tritium versions to put on both of the PPQs.

For that matter, I may have to send in both of the PPS' sights too!

This thread basically answered the questions I had.

I like the lower profile, bigger dots, and the fact that they are steel, as opposed to the PPQ stock sights.

I'd probably put them on all the Walther pistols I'd own that would mate to them...(future P99/c ;))

searcher451 10-30-2013 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunderbirdsport302 (Post 302595)
This thread is invaluable, and I'm asking for it to be stickied.

For what it's worth, the thread was Stuck weeks ago. :)

Thunderbirdsport302 10-30-2013 02:49 PM

My bad! I did a search and came up with the thread...didn't realize it was already "stuck"! :o:D

So I emailed Dawn @ Trijicon last night, she replied back that they didn't drill and put tritium vials in sights, however, she headed me in the direction of THIS company, and i checked their links for the rundown...seems a little pricey, but if one would rather have the lower profile sights, it might just be worth it.

I'll be looking into having at least 2 sets done up...sometime. Probably be after the first of the year.

fosser2 11-01-2013 10:58 PM

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Crazy followup question to all of this but since the "old" plunger is removed the hole is left. Does this cause an issue of dirt and such being built up in it? Would it be a good idea to attempt to fill it with something to avoid this issue? Lastly I did get a Smith to install my rear sight. Attached is a picture of the sights in a totally black room. I'm not sure if the picture does it justice at all but imo they are pretty bright.

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imaoldfart 11-02-2013 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fosser2 (Post 303019)
Crazy followup question to all of this but since the "old" plunger is removed the hole is left. Does this cause an issue of dirt and such being built up in it? Would it be a good idea to attempt to fill it with something to avoid this issue? Lastly I did get a Smith to install my rear sight. Attached is a picture of the sights in a totally black room. I'm not sure if the picture does it justice at all but imo they are pretty bright.

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The issue you mention is NOT an issue.


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