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jack092251 04-18-2016 03:56 PM

PPK/S .22cal is being discontinued?
if I read the postings correctly, the PPK/S. 22cal is being discontinued. I also think it is fair to say there are as many that dislike the 22cal version, as there are those who like it. (that like/hate discussion could go on forever with no benefit). my question to the forum is ..

"Will the remaining PPK/S 22cal handguns being sold now start going up or down in price?"

There are a few of them at a local outdoor store and I wondered it would be a investment to get one.

UniversalExports 04-18-2016 04:49 PM

Thinking about it logically — a gun that obviously didn't do very well in the market to the point it's being discontinued after a very short production run of only a couple of years — I certainly wouldn't look at it as an "investment" piece. Any increase in price would start pushing up against the price floor of the much more desirable earlier iterations from Ulm and Manurhin. That ain't gonna happen.

Austin Powers 04-18-2016 05:06 PM

Seeing as Walther has chosen to quietly discontinue them in the manner which they have, the general public will likely remain ignorant to the discontinuation of the PPK/S ,22LR, and thus everything will go on exactly as it has.
No one here would likely have even noticed if I hadn't pointed out their absence on carl-walther.de and subsequently looked into it.

They're still widely available and there's no reason to expect the supply to drop to any notable degree anytime within the forseeable future.

It's highly unlikely that they'll ever become a collector's item, or that they'll ever even become rare enough to even be considered as such.

Seriously, they've been in production since 2013, yet I've never even encountered anyone who owned one that has been manufactured since 2013, (I bought mine in October of 2015 and it's dated 2013) so that right there should give you an idea of both their availability and desirability.
Hell, that's probably why they were discontinued in the first place. They were a flop which appealed to a niche market.

Jaems 04-18-2016 06:17 PM

Like the Yugo and Edsel, they will be someone's collected item. People have had less problems with them than some with the S&W run of the series.

jack092251 04-18-2016 09:35 PM

thanks for some well thought out comments. the comment by 'Agent PPKS' really got me thinking about the production run of the Ft. Smith PPK/S 22S. The date on the one I saw for sale was also 2013 (BD). I've tried to find production numbers from Walther, but doesn't seem to be available. Anyone ever seen Walther communicate production run numbers?

Jaems 04-19-2016 12:05 PM

You might be able to figure a ballpark figure by getting the Serial numbers from the last ones purchased.

halfmoonclip 04-19-2016 01:12 PM

Agent, you have one. Do they work about as reliably as any other B-flat .22 auto? Are the controls the same as a regular PP series (I believe they are).
It seems to me that they'd make a dandy trainer for a .380 PP if nothing else. I've never looked; how are they priced?

Austin Powers 04-19-2016 03:30 PM

The PPK/S .22LR is my first pistol chambered in .22LR, ergo I cannot comment on how they compare to other .22LR pistols.
However, I can tell you this much, for all I've read about .22LR pistols being ammo sensitive and their tendency towards FTF/FTE, the PPK/S will reliably feed and eject anything high velocity as well as any standard velocity ammo provided that it has a fast burning primer, (in fact, the only ammo I'm aware of with feeding issues is Winchest Whitebox) so I can only presume that it's above average as far as .22LR pistols go.
The controls are identical to any other PP, in fact the only notable differences between the Umarex PPK/S .22LR and other PPKs are the shrouded/threaded barrel and the fact that the frame is solid beneath the grip panels.

Pricing varies substantially from place to place. My LGS wanted $375, Cabelas wanted $320, and Gander Mountain wanted a whopping $500! I ended up getting mine from my LGS because it was convenient and I wanted to support a local business, plus the closest Cabelas is outside of my State, so with the cost of gas plus transfer fee it would have ended up costing me about the same or more.
When they go on sale, they can be had for as little as $275 NiB, which I feel is a very nice price.

That said, the Bersa Thunder/Firestorm in .22LR has a similar size/feel to the PPK/S, has a steel slide/aluminum frame, and generally goes for $285 or less, so as much as I love my PPK/S .22LR, the Bersa Thunder .22LR seems like a better deal.
However, as a trainer, I can easily recommended the PPK/S .22LR due to being a near perfect replica of a PPK/S in terms of look, function, and even weight, whereas the Bersa has a longer barel, different control layout, and is lighter in weight.

Jaems 04-19-2016 05:24 PM

Walther Ft Smith is still advertising them. So there must be a lot of them still available in their warehouse.

The poor thing got such bad press on this forum. I surprise they sold any at all. Luckily some of us didn't listen to them and purchased one. I found that mine worked a good as my PP in .22. In fact it has been so long since I fired the PP. It is now in my weapons bag. Waiting to go out the next time I go to the range.

Agent is right. The PPK/S feels about the same as any other PPK/S 380 or .32. The grips are a little different in feel do to a different texture, but the fit the same. It takes down like any PP series pistol. The safety is were it belongs. The DA is real stiff, at first. However, either I have acquired a lot of muscles in my trigger finger or it has loosen up with use.

One thing to remember, when you are putting the slide back on. Make sure that the spring doesn't get caught between the end of the barrel and the slide opening. It can be a bare to rack the slide or take it back off. I found out the hard way early on. That was my mistake not the weapons. Otherwise it has been trouble free.

As far as ammo, the only problem has been the Winchester Super "X" and their bulk white box. They seem to be make for rifles only. When I purchased the weapon. I only had .22LR from the late 60's through the early 80's Remington, Winchester Wild Cat, CCI, and Federal. It ate it all.

It a weapon that is cheap enough. That I can throw in my glove box with a couple of boxes of ammo. So when I am at one of my cousins farms. We can BS and shot at cans. The farthest I have bound cans is about 80 meters. So it is accurate enough to enjoy.

Austin Powers 04-19-2016 06:56 PM

Thankfully, most of the posts against the PPK/S .22LR I've read were too saturated with obvious bias and hyperbole for me to take seriously. It's painfully obvious when something is unfairly hated because those who put it down are utterly incapable of eloquent speech and lack enough tangible evidence to adequately explain why it merits such disdain, ergo they just spam negative adjectives and pass the buck onto whomever requests further clarification, then if you do any research of your own it comes back clean.

Seriously, the closest thing to a legitimate reason to doubt the quality of the PPK/S .22LR I've ever seen anyone produce was ad hominem regarding the P22's infamous slide cracks, but even that doesn't hold much water when the PPK/S .22LR has a thicker slide, and from what I can tell pretty much all instances of the P22's slide cracking was a result of defective ammo blowout, meaning it won't even happen under ordinary circumstances. Besides, even if the P22's slide were made of steel, an ammo blowout would still likely damage the gun in some way be it warped slide, bent rails, and/or bulged barrel, thus requiring the gun to be serviced either way, so it's completely irrelevant.
Furthermore, I've yet to find a single report of a PPK/S .22LR's slide cracking under any circumstances, including reports of ammo blowouts, so until I hear otherwise, the PPK/S .22LR seems to be built more than well enough to worry about the slide cracking.
The only real 100% legitimate strike against the PPK/S .22LR is its ridiculously heavy double action trigger pull, but either that smooths out significantly with age or my finger has simply gotten enough exercise from using it that it no longer feels heavy.

As for the slide getting jammed, that seems to be a byproduct of the extra long recoil spring on the PPK/S .22LR. Seriously, the thing is like 1/4th longer than those on a .380 ACP PPK.

So yeah, while it may not be the prettiest nor well constructed PPK ever to be released, it delivers as a plinking/training pistol, so if that's what you want out of it, you won't regret it. If you're expecting a masterpiece of oldworld, hand-fitted art, then you're in the wrong price range and should have known better than to expect anything of the sort out of this to begin with.

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