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Old 09-27-2019, 12:41 PM   #1
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Whatzit, or Vatzit!?

Hey everybody! New member with an I.D. issue on a PP. I'll add pics when I figure out how to do that, but for now the info:
Slide is polished and blued with the banner, Carl Walther Waffenfabrik Ulm/Do.
Modell PP Cal. 7,62 mm
Has eagle over N proof Mark just forward of cocking serrations on left side.
Left side of slide just above bottom edge, and forward of ejection port is an import marking: C.D.I. Swanton, VT. No marks under slide or anywhere else on slide.
Now everyone is asking, "What's the issue?" So, let's talk about the frame. Typical satin blued steel with serial number (95142 without a letter suffix) in usual location, with a mark oriented vertical to the weapon, just behind the trigger guard pivot, that is a Crest with a crown or 5 flat topped points hovered above it. In the Crest is a design that is difficult to describe. I have searched every proof, makers, and acceptance mark reference I can find, but cannot identify that mark. It is also on the side of the barrel, visible through the ejection port.
There is no Ulm proof house Mark or antler symbol, and no date numbers or letter code on the barrel. No other marks anywhere else on the frame, but there is a lanyard ring attachment post on the butt behind the mag well with ring removed. Pictures will tell a better story, and I'll load those as soon as I get them and determine how, so anyone have an idea on "Vat it is?"
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Old 09-27-2019, 12:57 PM   #2
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I'll be bold here. It's a Walther PP caliber 7,65mmB. But that's just a teaser.


I like watching pistol pics.
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Old 09-27-2019, 01:04 PM   #3
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Here's the pics, any ideas?
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Old 09-27-2019, 01:08 PM   #4
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Very wise jehzsa, I can tell I'll fit in well here! Pics just got up, so take a peek, and keep that sage wisdom coming!
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Old 09-27-2019, 02:33 PM   #5
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If it looks like the attached, it is the Mulhouse (millhouse) proof mark:
At one time an annex to the French St Etienne Proof House located in the same town as the Manurhin factory,,
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Old 09-27-2019, 03:20 PM   #6
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That's it, Metradio, thank you very much! I couldn't find that anywhere, I even paid special attention to French marks. So, I suppose it would be a post-war commercial model, but not necessarily considered a "Manurhin"? Any common (or uncommon) knowledge about year range of such marked pistols, and does any of this add or detract from value? Or is it as jehzsa so craftily observed, "It's a Walther PP caliber 7,65mmB."?
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Old 09-27-2019, 04:04 PM   #7
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Going by the serial number it dates from about 1960, at that time all Walther PP's and PPK's were made by Manhurin then shipped to Walter in Germany for finishing and proofing.. Manhurin made and marked pistols are French proofed..
Strange to see a French proofed Walther..
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Old 09-27-2019, 04:08 PM   #8
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I'd say it's a gun that consists of two or more guns. The frame belongs to a Manurhin marked PP whereas the grip plates and the slide belong to a Walter/Ulm marked PP.

Oldgunzrbest, if you post a pic of the left side of the slide we can determine at least if the slide is period correct to the frame which was manufactured around 1960/61.
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That's it, Metradio, thank you very much! I couldn't find that anywhere

I had seen mention and description of the Mulhouse proof mark but never found a graphic of one, so I knocked up the drawing from a Mulhouse proofed Manhurin PP I own..
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Old 09-27-2019, 04:13 PM   #10
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A lot more knowledgeable people have and will chime in. Just allow me to say the following.

Something has to be said about a pistol (PP and PPK) that extracted a blood tribute, MY BLOOD, every single time that I fired it.

And I still love the darn things. No other platform has ever extracted that tribute. Enjoy the little darling.

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