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View Poll Results: If you could only have one PPK variant, what would it be?
PPK in .32 ACP 21 58.33%
PPK in .380 ACP 8 22.22%
PPK/S in .32 ACP 2 5.56%
PPK/S in .380 ACP 3 8.33%
PPK/S .22 2 5.56%
Other 0 0%
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Old 02-06-2019, 01:27 PM   #11
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22 rimfire[/B]: Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.38
32 Auto: Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.52
357: Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.7
40 S&W: Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.36
44 Magnum: Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.71

Hard to believe a 44 magnum is less efficient than a 22 rimfire...
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:58 PM   #12
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Hard to believe a 44 magnum is less efficient than a 22 rimfire...
Yes. It is hard to believe. And I don't.
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:29 PM   #13
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I lament the day I traded my "minty pre war PPK."
The pre war guns IMO, were of the highest craftsmanship and finish.
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Old 04-11-2019, 03:16 AM   #14
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Definitly a PPK chambered in 7,65 (7,65x17 mm ; sometimes called .32, but hey, I'm German ). I love my '62 "all day" PPK as well as my early '33/34 RZM.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:49 PM   #16
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I counted all of my PPK models and that's how they are chambered:
- 74% in 7.65mm
- 15% in .22lr
- 11% in 9mm k

If I take only the European made models into account, the distribution changes as follows:
- 83% in 7.65mm
- 18% in .22lr
-  3% in 9mm k

It looks like there's a definite tendency.
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If you could only have one PPK variant...

My 1939 PPK .22LR
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Old 06-01-2019, 10:48 PM   #18
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Interesting chart. I found the category below particularly interesting.



22 rimfire: Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.38
32 Auto: Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.52
357: Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.7
40 S&W: Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.36
44 Magnum: Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 1.71


I tend to take "database" results with a grain or two of salt - especially if I do not know precisely how the raw data was collected.
These results are not surprising at all in my opinion. For one, smaller pistols are typically deployed at shorter ranges, so when they work, I would expect them to do the job as well as the others as there is no "significant" difference between even a .380 and the other calibers (except perhaps .357 Magnum and .357 SIG). Even .44 Magnum only ties 9mm in its failure rate because it typically over penetrates (actually, it almost always over penetrates according to one coroner).

Furthermore, you cannot shoot 1.38 rounds, so we have to round them up to (in this case to 2). In other words, these results are not as varied as you might think and commensurate with typical self-defense distances).

We also have to consider who is doing the shooting. Certainly police officers carrying 9mm and .40 S&W, who have a duty to engage, are often involved in a engagements involving different dynamics than the average civilian carrying a .25 ACP or .32 ACP pistol who is trying to extricate him or herself from the situation as quickly as possible. I would expect these realities to factor in how these caliberse would perform.

The issue isn't how many rounds it takes (2-3 rounds is pretty typical), it is how often do they fail to incapacitate at all. Somewhat predictably, .22LR, .25ACP, and .32ACP fail more often than the intermediate calibers. I imagine under penetration is often the culprit. With more powerful calibers, it is over penetration. In my opinion, the vast majority of the results are logical if you think about it.
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Hard to believe a 44 magnum is less efficient than a 22 rimfire...
Actually, it is not at all once you become familiar with ballistics. A .44 Magnum is almost guaranteed to pass through the person (along with most of its energy). If you ask a trauma room doctor familiar with treating gunshot wounds, it is almost always worse when the bullet stays in the body.
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Yes. It is hard to believe. And I don't.
That is because you do not fully understand how the ballistics work. See my previous comment.
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